10KW LENR Demonstrator?

[Giorgio]

One of the principles in the american company is the former secretary of renewable energy under the Clinton administration and two others are former DOE executives.

Also in Blacklight Power there are former Secretary of state of Energy sitting in the board and we have all seen what they did not accomplish in the last 20 years. It is not a very good argument IMHO.

That somehow makes him a poor entrepreneur? He has failed to convince influential people (except the ones who already back him)? I fail to see your logic.

When making such big claims who you need to convince is not influential politicians but influential Scientists.
You fail to see my logic because you are not caring at all about his scientific claims. You are just excited by the possibility of this being real and you fail to ask yourself the most important question of all:
Who has verified that the e-Cat works as claimed apart Rossi and friends?

I accused you of making wild claims based on nothing because I infer from your analysis that you have very little business experience.

I am sure my employees will be happy to know that the guy who signed their paychecks for the last 10 years does not know much about business after all

From any point of view (logical, business, scientific, and so on) I see no possibility that such experiments was made and not made public.

You lack the knowledge to make this statement with authority.

I wrote "I see no possibility", meaning that the statement is done on the base of my experience and my knowledge and, being MINE, I am the only one qualified to judge if the above statement can be done or not. You can argue about the statement logic, if you want, but you cannot argue about my experience and knowledge because you simply do not know me.

This attitude to try to dismiss a logical reasoning by randomly attacking one's knowledge without knowing him is typical of minions and people with no arguments.

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chrismb,

No, this 3rd possibility 'fails' on logical consistency: Why did he call a press conference?

Your memory has failed you again. It has been repeated several times that Rossi did not want the public demo but did it to please his ailing friend Focardi.

Where are these hundreds of scientists clamoring for Rossi to give away information that he has sold? I see a few bloggers who only consider those items that throw doubt on the E-Cat working, making all the noise.

Rossi has everything in place to do what he claims he wants to do, i.e. produce a working 1 MW unit that he thinks is the only way of silencing the critics. It is starting to look like even that will not be enough.

ps. There is still time for Rossi to put in further patents with no advantage of doing it early, as the information will surely leak.

Edit added.
pps. The US Patent Office may even relent and consider a cold fusion patent if there is a working 1 MW plant.

[ScottL]

ps. There is still time for Rossi to put in further patents with no advantage of doing it early, as the information will surely leak.

Edit added.
pps. The US Patent Office may even relent and consider a cold fusion patent if there is a working 1 MW plant.

No advantage to doing it early? Are you kidding me? If he patents the secret sauce, he gets protection starting at the time of application. The longer he doesn't patent it, he risks other groups figuring out its true composition or stealing said secret sauce formula. Once another organization does this, they can then patent it and Rossi will be SOL because at best he can claim prior art, unfortunately he doesn't have much public proof of prior art because we don't know whats in it.

[seedload]

ps. There is still time for Rossi to put in further patents with no advantage of doing it early, as the information will surely leak.

Edit added.
pps. The US Patent Office may even relent and consider a cold fusion patent if there is a working 1 MW plant.

No advantage to doing it early? Are you kidding me? If he patents the secret sauce, he gets protection starting at the time of application. The longer he doesn't patent it, he risks other groups figuring out its true composition or stealing said secret sauce formula. Once another organization does this, they can then patent it and Rossi will be SOL because at best he can claim prior art, unfortunately he doesn't have much public proof of prior art because we don't know whats in it.

Didn't Rossi say that he had already filed the secret sauce patent but that it is so recent that it hasn't shown up on searches yet?

[ScottL]

Didn't Rossi say that he had already filed the secret sauce patent but that it is so recent that it hasn't shown up on searches yet?

That could be the case, but doesn't change what I said. The longer he waits, the more likely it will get out.

[seedload]

Rossi has everything in place to do what he claims he wants to do, i.e. produce a working 1 MW unit that he thinks is the only way of silencing the critics. It is starting to look like even that will not be enough.

Isn't the 'customer' for the 1MW plant Defkalion GT? Or am I reading Defkalion's white paper wrong?

Our first factory is already in preparation phase, located in Xanthi, northern Greece...

The second factory is scheduled to be built in Xanthi within 2012, comprising of 12,000 m2 for a larger assembly line...

Total staff requirements for both factories will be around 380, and include technical expertise in the fields of: mechanical engineering, engineering, electronics, plumbing and data management...

The 1 MW Hyperion will be inaugurated in Q4 of 2011 with its production phase to commence in Q1 of 2012. This first 1MW reactor will be the first large scale unit based on multiples of the smaller Hyperion models in array. It will be used to partially supply the energy needs of the factory. It will also be used as a showcase unit.

Is it odd that the customer for the plant is also the producer of future plants?

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ScottL,

No advantage to doing it early? Are you kidding me? If he patents the secret sauce, he gets protection starting at the time of application. The longer he doesn't patent it, he risks other groups figuring out its true composition or stealing said secret sauce formula. Once another organization does this, they can then patent it and Rossi will be SOL because at best he can claim prior art, unfortunately he doesn't have much public proof of prior art because we don't know whats in it.

If Rossi is the only one who knows the composition of the catalyst it is safe until production outside his control is started. What are the chances of someone coming up with the answer independently? No one would even be looking without the demos, and even then you maintain real scientists don't believe it, so why would they even look?
How do you know there are not already patent applications submitted?
How do you patent it in the US when the Patent Office won't consider it?

You left out your usual gratuitous insult about my intelligence. Are you weakening?

[parallel]

Is it odd that the customer for the plant is also the producer of future plants?

Can you think of a better way of keeping it secret until production starts?
I suppose you would have shipped the first unit to China.

[seedload]

Is it odd that the customer for the plant is also the producer of future plants?

Can you think of a better way of keeping it secret until production starts?

Actually, I can't think of any better way of keeping the secret. That was my point. I suppose we continue to disagree on what the secret is.

[ScottL]

If Rossi is the only one who knows the composition of the catalyst it is safe until production outside his control is started. What are the chances of someone coming up with the answer independently? No one would even be looking without the demos, and even then you maintain real scientists don't believe it, so why would they even look?
How do you know there are not already patent applications submitted?
How do you patent it in the US when the Patent Office won't consider it?

If I read correctly Rossi has the secret sauce enriched elsewhere, by someone else, although I could be misinterpretting what I read previously. Regardless, if it shows enough promise, it wouldn't surprise me in the least that some group wouldn't follow him to find his stock pile of sauce and steal a bit of it.

As for knowing whether he has a patent pending or not, that's a rather moot point. If he does, good for him, but we can't speculate that he does, we have to go with what we know now.

I wouldn't be worried about the U.S. patent office as much as I'd be worried about China or quite a few other countries. They have an amazing ability to look the other way when someone within their country creates knockoffs.

[ScottL]

You left out your usual gratuitous insult about my intelligence. Are you weakening?

I don't need to insult you to provide counter-arguments. We don't know if he has a patent for the secret sauce, but he'd be a fool not to have started the process. If his fears are the U.S. patent process, then he's a bigger fool as China will reverse-engineer and release cheap knock-offs regardless.

[parallel]

seedload,
Unlike you, I don't claim to know what the secret is.

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ScottL

I don't need to insult you to provide counter-arguments.

True, so why do you do that?

[chrismb]

seedload,
Unlike you, I don't claim to know what the secret is.

BUT: Implicit in this statement is that you know there to be a secret.

Please provide your evidence of this, oh loyal disciple.

[parallel]

ScottL,

we have to go with what we know now.

You may feel obliged to but don't speak for others. If the information is lacking all you can do is speculate (endlessly.)