Liberty Is Dangerous

[ladajo]

Actually sounds pretty darn simliar to here, State dependant.

I think the only real difference lays with the ability to purchase a handgun. Here, you can buy it, but carrying it around with you is another story. Some States, not so hard, but mostly still need a permit (if you want to have it out of sight.). A few states still allow carry of handguns as long as they are visible. So you can, in New Hampshire for instance, strap on your cowboy gun belt, and truck around with your Colt .45cal Long revolver at your hip. Or you could get gucchi with an armpit sling and truck around with your semi-auto as long as you do not wear a jacket over it. Personally, I prefer my canted low profile thumb release belt holster for my .45 auto, but I do not have a habit of trucking around with it. Never did it much even back when I kept an active concealed carry permit. Maybe one of these days I will get a concealed carry permit again. Especially since there seems to be a few more idiots than average on the streets these days.

[Diogenes]

Like I said, they should simply extend the gun permit into being a "deadly weapons" permit. If someone is willing to go through the trouble to lawfully carry a deadly weapon, then they are likely not going to misuse it.

They let you have guns in Austria? I thought Europe was turning into the Weeny continent?

Somehow missed your post earlier. Sorry for the late reply.
I agree on the idea of extending the gun permit into a deadly weapons permit. I see no difference between a sword, a sabre, a knife, or a revolver. Someone who has a carry permit for a gun should be able to carry one or more of the others as well. Glad we see it the same way. I guess that the gun lobby does not care about the other weapons and unfortunately the way I see Washington (even more so lately) is that if there is no powerful lobby/money involved, there is no support at all from lawmakers.

We are allowed to have guns in Austria yes.
Everyone with a hunting permit is allowed to own two rifles (e.g. a shotgun for small animals and a rifle for deer and buck, etc).
You can also have small caliber rifles for sports and air guns and all that. Not sure whether they can actually count as a weapon (though I would probably be able to shoot your eyeball out from 10 meters, used to be a sports shooter).

Hmmm... perhaps the coming horde will be stopped at the gates of Vienna once again. It's good to see at least SOME part of Europe hasn't completely lost it's freakin mind.

If you can make it plausible that your life circumstances require it, e.g. you are in a business that requires you to transport large amounts of cash, or you are working in security, or are a taxi driver, etc, etc you can also apply for permission to carry a handgun. Getting that permission is quite involved though including a psych eval. Now I do regard psychologists as mostly idiots, kinda the leftist replacement for a priest.

That is a very astute observation. I hadn't considered it before you mentioned it, but the analogy fits very well. I will add that characterization to my repertoire. (And yes, I also have a low regard for Psychologists. IMO they are Con-Artist Snake oil salesmen. )

Both are trying to tend to your sould, you know... that thing that does not exist. So they might just as well let you get an evaluation from your pastor
Then there are also the reserve and professional soldiers who have their guns at home.
Either way, these are your options for guns here. It is not quite as bad, as americans might think, but it certainly is not great by any means.

Yeah, look at the British. What on Earth has happened to them?

[Diogenes]

Actually sounds pretty darn simliar to here, State dependant.

I think the only real difference lays with the ability to purchase a handgun. Here, you can buy it, but carrying it around with you is another story. Some States, not so hard, but mostly still need a permit (if you want to have it out of sight.). A few states still allow carry of handguns as long as they are visible. So you can, in New Hampshire for instance, strap on your cowboy gun belt, and truck around with your Colt .45cal Long revolver at your hip. Or you could get gucchi with an armpit sling and truck around with your semi-auto as long as you do not wear a jacket over it. Personally, I prefer my canted low profile thumb release belt holster for my .45 auto, but I do not have a habit of trucking around with it. Never did it much even back when I kept an active concealed carry permit. Maybe one of these days I will get a concealed carry permit again. Especially since there seems to be a few more idiots than average on the streets these days.

Some states do not allow open carry. Concealed carry with a permit is authorized in most states now, and I have heard there are efforts to allow open carry to licensed carry permit holders.

One of the ideas that I have tried to get out to people is that the State Legislature should allow for the creation of a licensed carry permit holder badge. (Different in design from a law enforcement badge, for obvious reasons.) I have long been concerned about what might happen should law officers arrive on a shooting scene not knowing who is culpable and shooting the very first person they see with a gun.

Law enforcement uses badges to identify themselves as law enforcement to other officers, so a similar method would be useful for carry permit holders. I mentioned the idea to one of my friends that has a carry permit, and he ordered one from a law enforcement supply that specifically says Licensed Permit holder. (or some such. I no longer remember exactly.) At a distance, his looks like a law enforcement badge, but up close you can read that it is not. He wears it on his belt right next to his gun.


I would suggest that a badge in the shape of an "X" would be easy to see at a distance, and is readily distinguishable from a law enforcement badge. Alternatively an "O" would work. Jews and Muslims may object to what they might regard as a backdoor attempt to promote Christian symbology.



Anyway, New York is very nasty about out of state license holders. I personally wish people would file a Federal Suit against them asserting a violation of people's Second Amendment rights.

[KitemanSA]

I look at the use of hard drugs as the equivalent of firing rifle rounds into the air. Eventually one is going to come down and hit someone.

The argument that they have a right to do this is nonsense.

It is your argument that it IS like firing a rifle in the air which is nonsense. Totally dissimilar.

[choff]

On the subject of liberty in the US, do you see much in the way of more subtle threat like these people are claiming?

http://cpexposed.com/document_library/?city=USAs

[choff]

Sorry my typo try this.


http://cpexposed.com/document_library/?city=USA

[ladajo]

Actually sounds pretty darn simliar to here, State dependant.

I think the only real difference lays with the ability to purchase a handgun. Here, you can buy it, but carrying it around with you is another story. Some States, not so hard, but mostly still need a permit (if you want to have it out of sight.). A few states still allow carry of handguns as long as they are visible. So you can, in New Hampshire for instance, strap on your cowboy gun belt, and truck around with your Colt .45cal Long revolver at your hip. Or you could get gucchi with an armpit sling and truck around with your semi-auto as long as you do not wear a jacket over it. Personally, I prefer my canted low profile thumb release belt holster for my .45 auto, but I do not have a habit of trucking around with it. Never did it much even back when I kept an active concealed carry permit. Maybe one of these days I will get a concealed carry permit again. Especially since there seems to be a few more idiots than average on the streets these days.

Some states do not allow open carry. Concealed carry with a permit is authorized in most states now, and I have heard there are efforts to allow open carry to licensed carry permit holders.

One of the ideas that I have tried to get out to people is that the State Legislature should allow for the creation of a licensed carry permit holder badge. (Different in design from a law enforcement badge, for obvious reasons.) I have long been concerned about what might happen should law officers arrive on a shooting scene not knowing who is culpable and shooting the very first person they see with a gun.

Law enforcement uses badges to identify themselves as law enforcement to other officers, so a similar method would be useful for carry permit holders. I mentioned the idea to one of my friends that has a carry permit, and he ordered one from a law enforcement supply that specifically says Licensed Permit holder. (or some such. I no longer remember exactly.) At a distance, his looks like a law enforcement badge, but up close you can read that it is not. He wears it on his belt right next to his gun.


I would suggest that a badge in the shape of an "X" would be easy to see at a distance, and is readily distinguishable from a law enforcement badge. Alternatively an "O" would work. Jews and Muslims may object to what they might regard as a backdoor attempt to promote Christian symbology.



Anyway, New York is very nasty about out of state license holders. I personally wish people would file a Federal Suit against them asserting a violation of people's Second Amendment rights.

Actually, by law, NY is not that bad.
Check out NY reciprocity. Also note that NY is a Castle state.
http://www.usacarry.com/concealed_carry ... _maps.html

[Diogenes]

I look at the use of hard drugs as the equivalent of firing rifle rounds into the air. Eventually one is going to come down and hit someone.

The argument that they have a right to do this is nonsense.

It is your argument that it IS like firing a rifle in the air which is nonsense. Totally dissimilar.

Really? Here are a few victims of stray rounds.










http://www.celebritydrugdeaths.com/holl ... deaths.php

The people who got them started on drugs are responsible for their deaths. They pulled the trigger for rounds that landed years later.

[GIThruster]

The list of musicians killed by drugs is even longer.

http://www.listology.com/blindsider/sto ... died-drugs

If you look at the average man, the statistics are worse again still--more people die from drug related causes than from traffic accidents.

http://www.foxnews.com/health/2011/09/1 ... atalities/

[KitemanSA]

I look at the use of hard drugs as the equivalent of firing rifle rounds into the air. Eventually one is going to come down and hit someone.

The argument that they have a right to do this is nonsense.

It is your argument that it IS like firing a rifle in the air which is nonsense. Totally dissimilar.

Really? Here are a few victims of stray rounds.
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The people who got them started on drugs are responsible for their deaths. They pulled the trigger for rounds that landed years later.

So go after the people that gave KIDS their first hit.

You seem to be more than willing to allow (even PROTECT) the use of guns and go after the miss-users, while being totally unwilling to do the same for drugs.

Your reason? YOU don't have a use for them.

And by the way, it was the fact that they were in essence excluded from societal help by drug WARRIORS that finally killed them.. It is in good part YOUR fault. Murderer!

[KitemanSA]

If you look at the average man, the statistics are worse again still--more people die from drug related causes than from traffic accidents.

The article states:

Prescription drugs now account for more deaths than heroin and cocaine combined.

The government can't seem to manage ANYTHING!

[GIThruster]

Oh that's not the government's fault. It's the fault of doctors who write the prescriptions for drugs they don't then keep track of, and the fault of people who take such a lax attitude toward drug abuse. It's your fault, Kite.

[Betruger]

The list of musicians killed by drugs is even longer.

http://www.listology.com/blindsider/sto ... died-drugs

If you look at the average man, the statistics are worse again still--more people die from drug related causes than from traffic accidents.

http://www.foxnews.com/health/2011/09/1 ... atalities/

Let's see a comprehensive list of works of art that'd never have been if not for drugs.

[Skipjack]

Let's see a comprehensive list of works of art that'd never have been if not for drugs.

ohhh, please...

[Betruger]

Please what?