Maybe It's Time To Rethink Drug Laws

[GIThruster]

Yeah, but these theories all presuppose what there is no evidence for--that there is indeed some illuminati type "upper echelon" of banksters and bent politicians involved in the drug trade. Of course such assumptions have no merit. Once there is evidence for such a things, people go to prison, so assuming there is some pervasive situation is pretty naive.

For our current situation to exist there is no need for any reputable people to be involved in drug trade. There are plenty of disreputable people doing it. Any sort of conspiracy theory that poses mysterious men of distinction and reputation involved in drug running is class-warefare rhetoric run amok, not worthy of adults and critical thinkers. One might be right about this in some few cases, but that would be entirely by accident.

[choff]

You might want to read up on Mena and Venice beach airports. Some fun facts about Venice beach airport.

-Directly adjacent to the winter headquarters of an international circus, the owner connected to the intelligence community. The jugglers and clowns agents, all useful cover for a group that travels all over the world.
-Home to a mercenary combat air group that served in WW2 China.
-Regular drug busts going back to WW2.
-Used during the 50's to test early cruise missles, (guy that owned that company also owned the Texas school book depository).
-911 terrorists spent a year there learning to fly, arrived within a month of large cocaine and heroin bust. You'd think that of all the possible flight schools in the US this would be the very last place they'd want to hang out.

[choff]

Just for fun.

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[Diogenes]

never used illicit drugs in my life.
nice presumption

Just assumed that someone who sounded like an idiot was using weed. My mistake.

[Diogenes]

I didn't mean execute, I meant prosecute, and there's more than one kind of revolt. With the advances in social media it's going to become more and more difficult for the top echelons of the drug trade to hide the crime.

It's going to become even more difficult for the lower echelons of law enforcement to pretend too the upper echelons of law enforcement they don't know what's going on, and vice versa. At some point it's all very public and something has to give.

There are enough jails to throw the top echelons of the drug trade, banksters and bent politicians, they just have to release a few of the people doing time for minor drug offences.

Suits me. We just have to catch them.

As to legalization, they're having enough problems with Viagra and tobacco smuggling, including the counterfeit variety, and these are legal drugs. Make a few more prohibited substances legal and the problem doesn't go away by any means.

Want to see Scopolamine legal, I can see it becoming very popular with teenage boys trying to get that first date.

And this is something that the drug legalization advocates don't seem to comprehend. I've had several of them mention we couldn't turn out like China because the British PUSHED the drugs in China. What makes them think that we wouldn't have PUSHERS if drugs were legal?

Or that people would intentionally design drugs that are instantly addictive so as to get a continuous and permanent market for their product?

[Diogenes]

Yeah, but these theories all presuppose what there is no evidence for--that there is indeed some illuminati type "upper echelon" of banksters and bent politicians involved in the drug trade. Of course such assumptions have no merit. Once there is evidence for such a things, people go to prison, so assuming there is some pervasive situation is pretty naive.

And this is where these theories make me uneasy. I have listened to the notion that there is an ancient cabal controlling our societies, yada yada yada, and mostly I think this is just a very old effort at anti-semitism.

The Illuminati, the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, the Black Helicopters, the New World Order, the Tri-lateral commission, the Council on Foreign Relations, the Rockefellers and the Bildibergers, and so on, are all different manifestations of the same efforts at stirring up anti-semitism in an ignorant population.

Unfortunately, a lot of these goofy theories resonate with people who really want to believe that their failures are the result of a concerted effort to keep them down, not due to their failing to think clearly and work hard enough for their own success.

The Black community has it's own version of this sort of nuttery but in which White Racism is the predominant cause for any failure to advance. The CIA created crack or AIDS is an example of this sort of thinking.


There may be some truth to the notion that American Business men are deeply involved in the drug trade, but there needs to be adequate proof of this before any action is undertaken. To do otherwise is to render the spreader of these conspiracy rumors a victory for their efforts.

For our current situation to exist there is no need for any reputable people to be involved in drug trade. There are plenty of disreputable people doing it. Any sort of conspiracy theory that poses mysterious men of distinction and reputation involved in drug running is class-warefare rhetoric run amok, not worthy of adults and critical thinkers. One might be right about this in some few cases, but that would be entirely by accident.

Yup, but I don't consider the Kennedy Clan and it's associates as "reputable." There are plenty enough bad guys in the American scene for some of them to be involved in the drug trade.

We shouldn't assume there is involvement without proof, but we ought to keep the possibility in mind.

[Diogenes]

You might want to read up on Mena and Venice beach airports. Some fun facts about Venice beach airport.

-Directly adjacent to the winter headquarters of an international circus, the owner connected to the intelligence community. The jugglers and clowns agents, all useful cover for a group that travels all over the world.
-Home to a mercenary combat air group that served in WW2 China.
-Regular drug busts going back to WW2.
-Used during the 50's to test early cruise missles, (guy that owned that company also owned the Texas school book depository).
-911 terrorists spent a year there learning to fly, arrived within a month of large cocaine and heroin bust. You'd think that of all the possible flight schools in the US this would be the very last place they'd want to hang out.

I've read quite a bit about the Mena airport during all the efforts to investigate the background of the Clintons. It's hard to tell what is real and what is imaginary about it, because so much smoke has been generated by people who want to push a pet theory.

Nowadays, if it doesn't have very good evidence to back it up, I count it as not solid information.

[Stubby]

never used illicit drugs in my life.
nice presumption

Just assumed that someone who sounded like an idiot was using weed. My mistake.

Nice insult. That all you got? Grow the f up.

[choff]

You might want to read up on Mena and Venice beach airports. Some fun facts about Venice beach airport.

-Directly adjacent to the winter headquarters of an international circus, the owner connected to the intelligence community. The jugglers and clowns agents, all useful cover for a group that travels all over the world.
-Home to a mercenary combat air group that served in WW2 China.
-Regular drug busts going back to WW2.
-Used during the 50's to test early cruise missles, (guy that owned that company also owned the Texas school book depository).
-911 terrorists spent a year there learning to fly, arrived within a month of large cocaine and heroin bust. You'd think that of all the possible flight schools in the US this would be the very last place they'd want to hang out.

I've read quite a bit about the Mena airport during all the efforts to investigate the background of the Clintons. It's hard to tell what is real and what is imaginary about it, because so much smoke has been generated by people who want to push a pet theory.

Nowadays, if it doesn't have very good evidence to back it up, I count it as not solid information.

Okay, then answer me this one. On Sept. 12 the only commercial aircraft in US sky were the airliners flying the Bin Laden family out on N. American airspace. Why them and nobody else, wouldn't it have made some shread of sense to detain them just like everybody else long enough to ask a few questions about the black sheep of the family.

[GIThruster]

IIRC, it was all the Arab oil people in country who were afraid of violent retaliations that were given a special exception so there would be no lynchings. If you lived around NYC or any of the other attack sites and knew people who died, or knew people who knew people who died, it's easy to see that we could easily have had a very violent civil situation. I heard lots of people say they thought we should nuke half a dozen Arab nations for what was clearly the fault of a tiny minority.

The fact many of the arab oil people in the US during the 911 attack were relatives of Bin Laden is purely coincidental. They had all been ostracizing him for many years at that point and had no dealings with him. If they had had a part in the attack, certainly they would not have been in the US when it occurred, but Mobs don't think like that.

[Diogenes]

I've read quite a bit about the Mena airport during all the efforts to investigate the background of the Clintons. It's hard to tell what is real and what is imaginary about it, because so much smoke has been generated by people who want to push a pet theory.

Nowadays, if it doesn't have very good evidence to back it up, I count it as not solid information.

Okay, then answer me this one. On Sept. 12 the only commercial aircraft in US sky were the airliners flying the Bin Laden family out on N. American airspace. Why them and nobody else, wouldn't it have made some shread of sense to detain them just like everybody else long enough to ask a few questions about the black sheep of the family.

I know the exact answer for that one. I read about it some years ago. The Bush Administration knew these people might be subject to reprisal attacks for what their relative had done, and made every effort to get them out of the country quickly before their presences was noted and before someone decided to try and get revenge on them.

As for asking them questions, i'm pretty sure they did, and concluded they were not threats. By the way, this is Bin Laden's niece. (Wafah Dufour)



I think she is relatively harmless, but she might provoke a passionate reaction in some American Men, if you know what I mean and I think you do.

Make Love, not War.

[choff]

Fair enough.

In the case of money laundering the heroin trade by HSBC, what happened is the CEO said he had no idea it was happening, and then says he'll make sure it doesn't happen again. The company got hit with a fine of a few hundred million(chunk change for them). That's the usual punishment for the top players in the drug trade.

Contrast his treatment with some guy that gets his door kicked in at 3 am because he might have one joint in the house.

You might want to read some of the works of Antony C Sutton, or search on the Dutreaux affair, or the Franklin scandal, truth is stranger than fiction.

No suprise that the then govenor of Arkensas was made president, what with Mena near his domicile, Barry Seal used to fly over his house.