Bioethanol, biodiesel, and biogasoline from CO2 only

Point out news stories, on the net or in mainstream media, related to polywell fusion.

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Post by bennmann »

I mock my friends :)

I will continue more respectfully. I understand many people communicate better without friendly mocking and arbitrary curses. We can do that. Forgive my culture; forgive me if I offended.

As a small rebuttal, how is cross-breeding crops not a relevant application? Both are genetic interference on a global scale. Sure it's not a 1 to 1 analogy, but not relevant? Very relevant, IMO.

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Is targeted breeding the danger or just the usual random mixtures?
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Post by seedload »

bennmann wrote:I mock my friends :)

I will continue more respectfully. I understand many people communicate better without friendly mocking and arbitrary curses. We can do that. Forgive my culture; forgive me if I offended.

As a small rebuttal, how is cross-breeding crops not a relevant application? Both are genetic interference on a global scale. Sure it's not a 1 to 1 analogy, but not relevant? Very relevant, IMO.
The distinction is the change in life cycle - CO2 getting sucked up and sequestered as diesel. Assuming a run away population of these bacteria, the natural life cycle of "normal" plant life could be compromised and all other life with it.

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Post by hanelyp »

Seem very likely that a bacteria that sequesters large portions of the solar energy it collects in a chemical fuel it can't use is at a disadvantage in the wild.

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Post by seedload »

hanelyp wrote:Seem very likely that a bacteria that sequesters large portions of the solar energy it collects in a chemical fuel it can't use is at a disadvantage in the wild.
Depends upon how big the supply of what it can use is. The CO2 being more important than the light obviously. And, it is not that it can't use its own waste, it is that other organisms can't. It is a cycle of life thing.

Basically, it would be stealing supply from the cycle of life and converting it to something that nothing can use.

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Post by bennmann »

I suppose it wouldn't be a bad thing for joule unlimited to hire a genetic ethicist (?) to assist them in evaluating some of the consequences of their bacteria escaping into the wild somehow.

I don't see that as being bad or unwise, I think I could even support that idea.

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Post by Roger »

I'm not assuming that liquid fuels are desirable long term.
I like the p-B11 resonance peak at 50 KV acceleration. In2 years we'll know.

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Post by bennmann »

That's an unfortunate assumption because currently liquid carbon chain fuels are the highest chemical energy density. Lithium ion batteries don't even come close. There are a few things better, but they are very rare/exorbitant in price.

The ONLY problem is that liquid fuels are carbon based and the carbon currently comes from the carbon cycle several million years ago - basically a carbon cycle problem that can now be fixed.

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Post by Roger »

bennmann wrote:That's an unfortunate assumption.
You seem to be writing in the current tense? No?

And you do see that I wrote "long term" right? Or not, maybe not, because your whole comment seems to be predicated on ignoring that very clear qualifier, "long term".

So just what does long term mean to you?
I like the p-B11 resonance peak at 50 KV acceleration. In2 years we'll know.

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Post by bennmann »

If in 500 years diesel fuel is still in use as a main energy carrier, I might be ok with that under joule unlimited's process and presuming automobile engines slowly continue to increase in efficiency.

That's also presuming some form of magnets don't become strong enough to make pB11 polywells fit inside an automobile and still function (or focus fusions pinch or some other nuclear fusion reactor).

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interesting tech

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Liquid hydrocarbons will always have a place ~somewhere~. We might not be using them for transportation, but they'll be useful somehow. Its nice to know we can create them fairly easily.

Its an interesting bit of tech to file away somewhere for future (near or distant) use.

Now weren't we discussing tar and pitchforks....

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Re: interesting tech

Post by Roger »

palladin9479 wrote:Liquid hydrocarbons will always have a place ~somewhere~.
Right.....

Liquid fuels reek of personal transportation, but yet even now, do we see the future with 300mph trains that are powered thru pantographs-electricity? No batteries required.

In a Polywell world - 60 yrs from now, will we be driving liquid fueled vehicles in the number and the miles we do now. I really doubt it. Will liquid fuels still have a place, of course.
I like the p-B11 resonance peak at 50 KV acceleration. In2 years we'll know.

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Post by bennmann »

http://www.jouleunlimited.com/video/story.html

New video of the bacteria in action in what looks like glass panes/tubes.

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"Liquid fuels reek of personal transportation"

Liquid fuel reek of freedom, what the left hates, the freedom to ignore dictates about how and where you should spend your time, because you can travel as you see fit. It's trivial to have several hundred miles worth of liquid fuels, it isn't hard to have several thousand miles worth on hand.

When the government can lean on the power company to shut off your juice with the SmartMeter(tm), then they can decide if you go much of anywhere...
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Post by Ivy Matt »

Then again, when every household has its own electrical generator....
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