10KW LENR Demonstrator?

[KitemanSA]

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I know posters on this blog like to pretend everybody involved with the E-Cat are idiots

No need for us to pretend they are idiots.

Why always nasty?

I doubt any experiment would convince the hardcore skeptics, so why bother?

Two points here:
A) We aaaaalllready went over this. ***THERE HAS NOT YET BEEN AN *EXPERIMENT*.***

Isn't that pretty much what he just said. An experiment would not convince the skeptics, so why do one (which implys none has been done).

B) There are no 'hardcore sceptics' here, whatever that means, but presuming it means unchangeable from being a sceptic then clearly it is not people here else we'd not be talking about fusion energy. Here, there are only; 'sceptics'.

Well, maybe not, but there are a bunch who seem to like to PRETEND to be.

[raphael]

Quibblers and semanticizers burn in hell. (you know who you are)

The pertinent question is whether Rossi has revealed enough to convince a reasonable person that he really has something.

Sidebar: In courts of law, the scientists are called in to provide "expert" testimony yet the ultimate desicions are made by juries consisting of laymen....

[Ivy Matt]

Isn't that pretty much what he just said. An experiment would not convince the skeptics, so why do one (which implys none has been done).

I'm open to the possibility that an experiment has been done: otherwise, Rossi's just bluffing about all the effort he put into discovering the catalysts. However, the results of that experiment have not been properly reported. Therefore, science has not advanced.

But science will advance, one way or another, and when it does, it may well be despite Rossi. Fortunately for his potential competitors (assuming his E-Cat actually works in the real world), Rossi has chosen to protect the catalysts with a rather weak form of intellectual property.

[raphael]

It's been said that the nickel/catalyst charge of powder only lasts ~6 months. So, if the apparatus were configured as drawn, the "semi-annual" process of swapping out the reactor would require a major teardown and rebuild of the whole apparatus.

Couldn't you just install a valve on the up-pipe in the chamber, open the valve, pour the powder out and pour new stuff in? Seems simple enough to me.

How about a swapout that's the rough equivalent of changing the filter in your water purifier? And, of course, the refills would need to be available (after the residential model is perfected) at Walmart and/or Target.

[raphael]

Could a RossiFusion dingus be integrated with an oil-filled radiator?

Just the thing on a cold winter night in Siberia (or, anywhere else that has cold winter nights).

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[Giorgio]

By looking at the oscilloscope monitoring the input power, astute observers of the Rossi demo’s have seen input power sent from the control box to the Cat-E in regular bursts. The only place that this burst input power could be going is the internal heater. The conjecture is that this type of power feed is tailored to form hydrogen plasma on or near the filament of the internal heater.

Please, this is even more ridiculous than the previous post.
You are really jumping to conclusions out of nothing but thin air here.
If this is the way you intend to discuss about Rossi Reactor than I still prefer Chrismb theory of Tinkerbell and the pixie dust!

[Giorgio]

Considering the high heat of vaporization for water (100 Cal/ Gram of water) the assumption of dry steam may introduce considerable error.

Errors are for scientists. Minions do not need to know about the existence of such words!

[Giorgio]

Quibblers and semanticizers burn in hell. (you know who you are)

Let's not move this thread into a religious sermon....

The pertinent question is whether Rossi has revealed enough to convince a reasonable person that he really has something.

No. There has been too many crooks and snake oil sellers in this field to just accept one guy word.
Like other already have said, there is no base prejudice here, but you can't just tell the world that you have made one of the biggest discovery in human science without being ready to support your claims.
It's silly, and any reasonable person can understand this.

Sidebar: In courts of law, the scientists are called in to provide "expert" testimony yet the ultimate desicions are made by juries consisting of laymen....

And this is probably one of the reasons why the patent system is in such a messy situation with so may patent troll companies just capitalizing on "laymen" decisions instead than competing on real products.

[raphael]

Giorgio, the "reasonable person doctrine" isn't going away anytime soon; not hardly; not by any means.

As mentioned, quibbling scientists have standing in courtrooms only to give their opinions. Decisions of FACT are left to juries.

The question, then, of whether the "demonstrations" have established the veracity of Rossi's claims is best viewed from the perspective of whether they are sufficiently convincing to a reasonable person.

[Giorgio]

Giorgio, the "reasonable person doctrine" isn't going away anytime soon; not hardly; not by any means.

As mentioned, quibbling scientists have standing in courtrooms only to give their opinions. Decisions of FACT are left to juries.

The question, then, of whether the "demonstrations" have established the veracity of Rossi's claims is best viewed from the perspective of whether they are sufficiently convincing to a reasonable person.

Than you should define what you mean for "reasonable person".
For me a reasonable person is one that checks the facts and excludes other possibilities before being convinced of something.
It looks to me that your idea of reasonable person is one that just has to accept the word of the salesman.
If I am wrong, please state your definition for it and where is the border between a reasonable person and (as you define it) a quibbling scientist.

[parallel]

I missed it, but the Washington Times did publish a piece on the E-Cat.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201 ... ond-japan/

It seems unlikely there will be any more news until the end of the year when Rossi will either produce the 1 megawatt E-Cat or fail to do so.

[Ivy Matt]

Right now the jury consists entirely of quibbling scientists or, at least, people who are interested in science. Reasonable people probably won't be called to sit on the jury for at least half a year, if ever, so until then we're stuck with the quibbling scientists.

[Giorgio]

There is no jury here, and I don't consider myself a scientist. I do consider myself to be a very reasonable guy. I am placing in this issue the same level I doubt I will place if a salesmen would try to convince me that his new car model can make 150 MPG.
I'll say to him the exactly same thing I am saying here: Prove it me before you ask me to fork out some money or to spread the news to my friends that need a new car.
Isn't this what "reasonable" is all about?

[seedload]

I know posters on this blog like to pretend everybody involved with the E-Cat are idiots and while the experiments could have been conducted to rule out some fraud, the purpose of the demo was to show it worked and give some idea of the surplus energy generated. I doubt any experiment would convince the hardcore skeptics, so why bother?

Almost every single post you have made on this forum has been in support of EESTOR, Blacklight Power, and Rossi.

A story.

My father was a card counter as a hobby. He would regularly go down to AC and play blackjack making a very modest amount of money of the course of a year. He never played other table games except... every time on the way out of the casino he would place one green chip on his marriage date on the Roulette wheel. Now, he knew this was a bad bet, unlikely to pay off as a single bet and he knew that it would lose him money in the long run as well, but not very much compared to the money he was winning counting cards. If it was long odds in one shot and an overall loser in the long run then why did he do it?

Well, because on the rare occasion when it did hit, he looked super baller to the people at the table. Come to a table where people are spreading 1 dollar bets all over the place, put down a single 25 dollar chip, and walk away a huge winner in one bet was so cool that he thought it was funny and worth the modest long term losses he would take. Just the thrill and novelty of being right given the long odds was worth it to him for all the times that he was wrong and just quietly walked away.

Sorta like what you are doing, IMHO. Long odds that the fringe science you are supporting will pay off. But, support enough of 'em and eventually you will be right. Won't you look super baller?!?!

Except, your odds are longer and he admitted what he was doing.

Just my take.

regards

[kurt9]

My attitude towards Rossi's Energy Catalyzer is just to wait and see if this Greek factory comes on line or not come this November.

I remember the hoo-haa over Genesis World Energy (GWE) and the catalytic fuel cell they claimed to have developed. They announced that they were opening a factory to produce these fuel cells and that they had also licensed the technology to other manufacturers. GWE turned out to be a scam. Some of you may remember this. It was around 2002 or so.

Although Rossi seems real to me, I consider GWE to be a cautionary tale. I'll believe Rossi once his factory is in production and these things are operating in the marketplace. Until then, call me a skeptic.