Crime and Punishment: Oklahoma (& Texas) style!

[GIThruster]

What is your source?

I don't recall. Been surfing all over at high speed. Could be anything from Huffington, to CNN to FOX. I think it might have been MSNBC. I'm sure if it's real it will be all over FOX by tonight.

[ladajo]

Here is a video of them finding a shotgun in the Trunk of The Idiot's car:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLrxSgkqJQc


Here is a state police update saying what/where they found weapons:

http://www.ct.gov/despp/cwp/view.asp?Q=517284&A=4226

Seized inside the school:
#1. Bushmaster .223 caliber-- model XM15-E2S rifle with high capacity 30 round magazine
#2. Glock 10 mm handgun
#3. Sig-Sauer P226 9mm handgun

Seized from suspect’s car in parking lot:
#4. Izhmash Canta-12 12 gauge Shotgun (seized from car in parking lot)

This case remains under investigation.
Lt. J. Paul Vance

[choff]

I nearly fell victim to the idea the rifle was left in the car, my own conspiracy mania was peaked by the timing(between election night and Christmas), and a report that in Australia and Scotland the mass shooters that brought about gun bans used Bushmaster 223s. But unless I keep seeing one mass shooting after another timed to coincide with gun ban campaigns I'm not going there.

There were a lot of factors involved with the collapse of the Roman Empire, one theory is climate change,even that a meteor shower caused the change. Another was that the switch from cheap copper coins to gold and silver caused a money shortage. That barbarians picked up Roman military organization/weapons/strategy and used it back. Certainly the barbarians that settled in former Roman territory were mostly Latinized.

The Byzantines had a pretty good run, and when you factor in the emergence of the Holy Roman Empire befor the Byzantine collapse plus the continuation of the Roman Catholic Church, you could say Roman civilization has continued to exist in one form or another all along.

[Diogenes]

Here is a video of them finding a shotgun in the Trunk of The Idiot's car:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLrxSgkqJQc


Here is a state police update saying what/where they found weapons:

http://www.ct.gov/despp/cwp/view.asp?Q=517284&A=4226

Seized inside the school:
#1. Bushmaster .223 caliber-- model XM15-E2S rifle with high capacity 30 round magazine
#2. Glock 10 mm handgun
#3. Sig-Sauer P226 9mm handgun

Seized from suspect’s car in parking lot:
#4. Izhmash Canta-12 12 gauge Shotgun (seized from car in parking lot)

This case remains under investigation.
Lt. J. Paul Vance

CNN had reported that the .223 was found in the car. Apparently they were mistaken.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xw5of8 ... QCGsvKmlnJ

[Diogenes]

Apparently NBC said that he left the rifle in the car.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=p ... u_NllT1iDo



Probably just reporters getting their stories wrong, or asking governmental officials who didn't actually know the facts. Who knows?

[GIThruster]

I must have been looking at a vid from a week ago. I think this is what I saw this morning:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxaTh1RK4c8

I would note that there are still a host of important details missing.

We don't know what the coroner says about the actual wounds--whether they were made by handguns or the tiny .223 rifle bullets which leave much smaller wounds.

We don't know how many handguns were used, 2 or 4.

We don't know what the second reason was that this guy was turned down for purchase of a rifle. We know he didn't get one right away because of the waiting period, but that is not the same as turned down.

We don't know what the dispute was about at the school days before this shooting. We don't know who in addition to the shooter it involved, or what was the outcome. We don't know if the police were involved.

Long story short, we don't know much and the sheer numbers of faulty reports are shocking.

[hanelyp]

There were a lot of factors involved with the collapse of the Roman Empire, one theory is climate change...

reminded me of a chart I'd seen recently.

from http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/01/21/i ... s-johnson/

[DeltaV]

The Byzantines had a pretty good run, and when you factor in the emergence of the Holy Roman Empire befor the Byzantine collapse plus the continuation of the Roman Catholic Church, you could say Roman civilization has continued to exist in one form or another all along.

This ancient emblem called a fasces served as the symbol of civil authority in the Roman Republic. Originally it was an axe bound among a collection of rods held together with a red strap. The fasces could be presented to restore order or to carry out punishment. Our founding fathers found deep inspiration for our own democratic experiment from the Romans and adopted the symbol to represent Congress.

[choff]

I would think it's not the same fasces that Mussolini used to symbolise his system of government.

[GIThruster]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1u0Byq5 ... r_embedded#!

[GIThruster]

Show is closed a day ahead of my guess.

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index. ... sho_2.html

[williatw]

Libertarians Launch Ad Campaign to Repeal Gun-Free School Zones


http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2013/01/24/li ... ool-zones/


The Libertarian Party has begun an ad push to encourage the repeal of “tragically failed” gun-free zones around schools.

The party, which made its strongest showing yet in last fall’s presidential election, has already aired more than 150 radio spots nationwide recorded by radio broadcaster Dusty Rhoads.

All of the ads are being paid for with targeted donations and bought through competitive bidding to pay as low as $5 for a radio spot.

“We have a rare opportunity here. We can make America freer by repealing the tragically failed ‘gun-free” school zone laws,’ said Geoffrey Neale, party chairman, in an appeal to supporters today. “By going on the offensive, we also have a better chance of preventing more executive orders and legislative restrictions. Imagine if freedom fighters in 1912 had run an End the Fed campaign. Or a campaign to end marijuana prohibition in 1937.”

Freshman Republicans Steve Stockman (Texas) and Tom Massie (Ky.) each introduced bills to repeal the “gun-free” designation for school campuses on the first day of Congress.

“By disarming qualified citizens and officials in schools we have created a dangerous situation for our children. In the 22 years before enactment of ‘gun free school zones’ there were two mass school shootings. In the 22 years since enactment of ‘gun free schools’ there have been 10 mass school shootings. Not only has the bill utterly failed to protect our children it appears to have placed them in danger,” said Stockman, formerly a one-term congressman in the 1990s.

“A bigger federal government can’t solve this problem. Weapons bans and gun free zones are unconstitutional,” Massie said. “They do not and cannot prevent criminals or the mentally ill from committing acts of violence. But they often prevent victims of such violence from protecting themselves.”

Massie voted for libertarian Rep. Justin Amash (R-Mich.) for speaker.

[MSimon]

I would think it's not the same fasces that Mussolini used to symbolise his system of government.

Both trace to Rome.

It is in part a symbol of "united we stand". The sticks bound together.

And for those outside the union? The axe.

All states operate on this principle. The question then becomes - how many are outside the union? You get enough of those and you get a revolt on your hands.

In America one party or the other courts the "outsiders" in order to make an electoral majority. In some cases if a "malum prohibitum" cohort is big enough they will be courted rather than reviled. Especially when the "malum prohibitum" is a matter of fashion. Fashions change.

If a party is desperate it will court the "malum per se" people. But that usually loses more votes than it gains. Sometimes it works if you have too many "malum per se" people. Criminals gain sympathy from the wrongly criminalized. It happened during alcohol prohibition. And of course government correspondingly lost support.

The wise course is to chop as few heads as possible. Realize that vice is not crime.

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The health care law is taking after tobacco smokers.

http://www.lansingstatejournal.com/view ... up-5K-some

I believe the Republicans can attract those people and make up for smokers of other things the Democrats attract.

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Maybe we will eventually come to our senses and let people smoke what they want.

[williatw]

Rory Miller Interview with Sensei Jason Gould at Emerald Necklace Martial Arts

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XS2ke_5sqY

[williatw]

EXCLUSIVE: Journalist Accosted by Security over Mayor Bloomberg Gun Control Question

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism ... l-Question

In the video, Bloomberg is seen surrounded by security. Mattera approaches Bloomberg and asks, “In the spirit of gun control, will you disarm your entire security team?”


Bloomberg’s reply: “Uh, you, we’ll get right back to you.”


“Why can you defend yourself but not the majority of Americans?” Mattera asks as the mayor walks away. “Look at the team of security you’ve got. And you’re an advocate for gun control?”