The Murder Solution Rate In The US Used to Be 91%

[Diogenes]

A choice of words, that from my perspective applies to you more so than me. Of the two of us, I perceive that I am the only one with any real experience dealing with people addicted to hard drugs. You are still in the wading pool of the drug culture. Get in deeper and I fear you will drown.

The Swiss program of legalization reduced addiction rates by 82%. Maybe the people you came across were in that other 18%.

Nothing is perfect.

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Even more interesting is that the Swiss program reduced crime by 60%. The police officer explains it all in the video I posted at the beginning of this thread.

In spite of my better judgement, I decided to watch some more of this video. Now the lunatic is talking about EVIL CORPORATIONS and their SLAVE LABOR policies. See? The War on Drugs is nothing more than Legal SLAVERY !!!!!!!

[williatw]

Okay, i'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt, and watch your video and see what it has to say.

Starts off with a complete lie. (Not a good beginning.) The lie is that "Europe imprisons 150 people per 100,000, while the United States imprisons 1,000 people per 100,000. Charles Murray (Writer of "The Bell Curve" etc.) has pointed out that once the Demographics of America are adjusted to equal the homogeneity of Europe, the differences in incarceration not only disappear, but the US has an even lower rate of incarceration than does Europe. Now what am I supposed to do? If the man is starting out with a garbage theory, how is he going to go anywhere with it? ...

And how does that make it a lie? We do have a higher rate of incarceration that is a fact, he never said he "adjusted it for the demographics" he merely reported the rate per 100 thousand and compared it to Europes. A fact is a fact.

Now he is postulating a false theory of equivalence between usage and imprisonment. His argument is that blacks make up 13.5% of users, but make up 37% of people arrested for using drugs.

Again that is a fact, blacks use illegal drugs at about the same rate as whites yet are far more likely to be arrested, when tried and found quilty are more likely to be sentenced to jail than a white for the same offense & more likely to get a longer sentence for the same offense. Hard to see how that could not be racist.

[williatw]

Though Blacks make up ~ 13 % of the population, they make up something like 30-40% of all Homicides.

So the greater incarceration rate for being found guilty of the same offense is justified and not racist because:

Let's see a black youth and his white buddy are both arrested tried and found guilty of drug possession, the same crime etc. The judge takes one look at the black says to himself "Hmm..you belong to a demographic that per capita commits more violent crime, so I am going to sentence you to a longer sentence for the same crime as I will your white buddy. In fact I may not put your white buddy in jail at all." "But that’s not racist, because after all it’s not my fault you belong to a more crime prone demographic those are just the numbers." And of course it also explains the greater desire to arrest blacks although they don't use/buy etc drugs in any greater amounts than whites...there only trying to get that crime prone demographic locked up any way they can, and drugs makes a good excuse.

[Diogenes]

Okay, i'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt, and watch your video and see what it has to say.

Starts off with a complete lie. (Not a good beginning.) The lie is that "Europe imprisons 150 people per 100,000, while the United States imprisons 1,000 people per 100,000. Charles Murray (Writer of "The Bell Curve" etc.) has pointed out that once the Demographics of America are adjusted to equal the homogeneity of Europe, the differences in incarceration not only disappear, but the US has an even lower rate of incarceration than does Europe. Now what am I supposed to do? If the man is starting out with a garbage theory, how is he going to go anywhere with it? ...

And how does that make it a lie? We do have a higher rate of incarceration that is a fact, he never said he "adjusted it for the demographics" he merely reported the rate per 100 thousand and compared it to Europes. A fact is a fact.

The Lie is that you can pretend Europe is an equivalent for America. Our Demographics are, and have been for a long time, very different. Now, as Europe has welcomed into it's borders people of the Islamic culture, they have slowly started developing the same sort of crime statistics that we here in America have had for Decades. (Nearly 80% of rapes in Sweden committed by Immigrants.)

By comparing the US to Europe, you are intentionally, and Knowingly misleading the listener into believing that the US is behaving wrongly. The fact is, we just have a lot more violent and criminally minded people in our country, and Europe is starting to find out what that's like.

Now he is postulating a false theory of equivalence between usage and imprisonment. His argument is that blacks make up 13.5% of users, but make up 37% of people arrested for using drugs.

Again that is a fact, blacks use illegal drugs at about the same rate as whites yet are far more likely to be arrested, when tried and found quilty are more likely to be sentenced to jail than a white for the same offense & more likely to get a longer sentence for the same offense. Hard to see how that could not be racist.

I guess you are missing the point. They make up ~40% of people arrested for other crimes as well. My point is, the high arrest rate of Blacks is not specific to drugs. The man is trying to make the claim that it is, but if he were correct, the arrest/incarceration rate would only be high for drugs crimes, and would hover around ~ 13% for all other crimes.


I have quite a lot of experience in the Black drug culture. I have several friends and former friends that were using and dealing. One of them was killed just a few weeks ago. The fact is, in that subculture, drug usage doesn't exist in a vacuum. There was a lot of other sh*t going down with it, up to and including robbery and murder.

By pretending that all the arrests and all the convictions are solely caused by racist law enforcement, the man is lying through his teeth. Many of my buddies that went to prison were put there on charges other than drugs. Drugs usage overlaps heavily with criminal activity, meaning those people who are criminally inclined are also inclined to use/sell dope.

As I have pointed out to MSimon countless times, the current "Lord of the Flies" mentality running amok in the Inner cities has a lot more to do with a lack of Married Fathers than it has to do with drugs.

And why do we have such a large lack of Married Fathers? Because of the Great society programs of Lyndon Baines Johnson who made it feasible for unmarried mothers to carry on with this culturally destructive behavior. Nature wouldn't have allowed it. Lyndon Johnson made sure it was subsidized by the Federal Government. Why? For Votes.

We sow the bastards, and we reap the crime.