Sombody get Mach effect thruster working?

[Diogenes]

I have to laugh when people complain about FOX. Skippy no doubt prefers all news reflect his point of view. It obviously disturbs him when the news includes things he doesn't like and he needs to be protected from those stories. That's why for example, the other media outlets have not covered what is likely the biggest news story this last year--the military assault on the US embassy in Benghazi. Skippy prefers that the news be managed so he and those like him will never be challenged as regards our president's leadership. Some call this propaganda. Some may liken it to what happened in Germany in the years leading up to WWII. I think though, the simplest explanation for the disinformation, cover ups, lies, and betrayal of the public's trust is that people like Skippy cannot be exposed to facts that don't square with their world view. The media has evolved the way it has purely for market reasons, and it is precisely because people like Skippy freak out when exposed to the truth, that he is protected from it by his choice of news service. Cowards and fools get just what they're after. Skippy is not after the truth, or lets face it, would he have voted for OBama?

Skippy is an Austrian citizen, so he only voted for Obama if he happened to be in the country during the election.

As for the media, What is wrong with them goes way beyond market reasons. They often side with their own ideology even though it costs them market share, and Fox News is a prime example of this. They are first and foremost, Ideologues, bent on using their access to the public microphone to indoctrinate and thereby control the public mindset regarding various issues.

They have been quite successful in the playing of their pied piper song on the gullible. It is way past time we dropped a nuke on them.

But yeah, Skippy wants to keep his distorted world view.

[GIThruster]

You can make a good case that it is the owners of each news service that determine what the editorial stance and slant will be on all their stories, and that is true. it is also true however that news services compete with each other, and if they fail to give the public what they want their market share suffers. If they all lean one way (which certainly happened here in the US starting in the late 60's) a gap is opened and market made available for a different kind of news service that does not lean like the others. That is precisely what happened to create FOX. If there were no market for right leaning news, FOX could never have come to be. Instead, it has become what one could argue is the most powerful news service in the world.

When people like Skippy whine about FOX, they just make themselves sound like authoritarian assholes who don't respect freedom of choice and think we should all have propaganda instead of news.

[ladajo]

OK guys it was bugs, on a ccd with a large f stop and lens set at infinity.
mystery solved, reproducible
Bad guy "If it was't for the blasted kids in that van I would have got away with it."
SCUBYDOO "Rest go raggy, I am hungrrerrry"

Link?

[paperburn1]

OK guys it was bugs, on a ccd with a large f stop and lens set at infinity.
mystery solved, reproducible
Bad guy "If it was't for the blasted kids in that van I would have got away with it."
SCUBYDOO "Rest go raggy, I am hungrrerrry"

Link?

I consulted a fellow worker who follows these things and is a expert at projection and video . Also in my previous post I showed a similar phenom that was insects as well. just google bugs and UFO and you get a host of links
http://badufos.blogspot.com/2012/03/fly ... e-ufo.html
http://doubtfulnews.com/2012/11/denver- ... on-expert/

http://doubtfulnews.com/2011/11/strange ... broadcast/
http://theness.com/neurologicablog/inde ... d-by-ufos/

and for those that believe the truth is out there http://www.mufon.com/OtherUFOOrganizations.html

[GIThruster]

Yes well, perhaps you should read the feedback at those posts. One resident of Denver says there have been no flying insects there in more than a month. It is after all WINTER in Colorado, same as the rest of the northern hemisphere.

[Skipjack]

Skippy no doubt prefers all news reflect his point of view.

Havent found a news station yet that does that. They all bend the truth one way or another and they are all out for sensationalism instead of journalism. Small things get blown out proportion. The public wants to be entertained by the news and superlatives sell ads.

I never said that FOX news was the ONLY station reporting nonsense, but they are certainly not immune to it by any means!
And when it comes to preferring news station that favor someones distorted view of the world, I think that obviously goes both ways, right Diogenes and GIT? At least I get my news from more than just one source. In fact, I rarely watch TV at all, but whenever I see a FOX news report the distortion and fabrication, the outright asshole mentality ("shut up!", "cut his mike!", etc) of the so called reporters on the station is so in my face that it is hard to ignore, even with the little that I watch. And Murdoch should be in fracking jail!

Skippy is an Austrian citizen, so he only voted for Obama if he happened to be in the country during the election.

Foreigners, even those with a permanent residence can not legally vote on a federal election, even if Fox news claims that by some mystery means even illegals can somehow vote. No idea how they can register for voting, I sure cant...

would he have voted for OBama?

This election would have been a very difficult choice for me and it was for many people that I know, left and right. Basically it was the choice between a giant douche and a turd sandwich. I thought the giant douche that we have "enjoyed" for the past 4 years was a bit less disgusting than the turd sandwich, but not by much... Had the dems lost this election, it would have been because they sucked so much and because of all the crap Obama has pulled (NDAA, CISPA, SOPA, etc) and not because his opponent ,the turd sandwich was that good. I really hope to see some more leadership material next election. If these two are the best the western society has to offer, I will just quote an old buddy here on the forum: "we are doomed, doomed, I say!".

One resident of Denver says there have been no flying insects there in more than a month. It is after all WINTER in Colorado, same as the rest of the northern hemisphere.

Maybe some are still coming out at noon, when it is warmest, hmm?

[GIThruster]

I had my satellite feed cut a couple years ago as I was not watching TV at all. I don't miss it. I get almost all my news online and all the news sources I use CNN, Huffington, NPR, BBC and FOX are slanted. Fox is by far the least slanted and most objective. They would not be the number one cable news channel if they were half as slanted as the others. I also get about a dozen technical news sources but by their nature they suffer far less slant than news that includes politics. The majority of my news comes through Huffington, which is about as slanted as one can get.

Skippy did say he was becoming a US citizen. I thought that was a done deal. So you are still criticizing America and still not an America, Skippy? I am just flabbergasted at your audacity.

It is certainly possible that bugs are coming out in that mile high and very cold city of Denver, just as it is certainly possible all the people who did the report were wrong, and it is bugs. It is possible all these people are morons. It is possible that both cameramen had no idea how to use a camera and what would be inside the depth of field. It is possible. It is however, pretty stupid to think this and arrogant as can be, to assume everyone who knows the real circumstances is wrong and you are right simply to defend your skepticism. And this is the problem with skeptics. they are forced into these absurd irrational positions at every turn, all to the point of defending an emotional attitude rather than think rationally. the rational thing here is not to say "it is bugs" when bugs would not be in focus and not be flying around in November. Rather, it is rational to say "we don't know what this is".

[Skipjack]

Fox is by far the least slanted and most objective.

LOOOOL!
As I said "Shut up!", "Cut his mike", slander, swear words towards interviewees, etc. I have never seen that on any other news station, no matter how biased.
Also lets not forget "Some people say" as a means of inserting some agenda into the "fair and balanced" news report.

Skippy did say he was becoming a US citizen.

I never said that. I said I was becoming a permanent resident, which I am now. I am living and working in the US and paying US taxes (and quite a bit). I think that this does give me the right to some form of opinion, no?

[ladajo]

When did you move?

[ladajo]

OK guys it was bugs, on a ccd with a large f stop and lens set at infinity.
mystery solved, reproducible
Bad guy "If it was't for the blasted kids in that van I would have got away with it."
SCUBYDOO "Rest go raggy, I am hungrrerrry"

Link?

I consulted a fellow worker who follows these things and is a expert at projection and video . Also in my previous post I showed a similar phenom that was insects as well. just google bugs and UFO and you get a host of links
http://badufos.blogspot.com/2012/03/fly ... e-ufo.html
http://doubtfulnews.com/2012/11/denver- ... on-expert/

http://doubtfulnews.com/2011/11/strange ... broadcast/
http://theness.com/neurologicablog/inde ... d-by-ufos/

and for those that believe the truth is out there http://www.mufon.com/OtherUFOOrganizations.html

Thanks. I knew I had seen something similar before, and your links confirm it.

[GIThruster]

Fox is by far the least slanted and most objective.

LOOOOL!
As I said "Shut up!", "Cut his mike", slander, swear words towards interviewees, etc. I have never seen that on any other news station, no matter how biased.

I have never seen that either so I can't comment.

I think you misunderstand how news organizations manipulate their audiences. It's true that interviewers can manipulate an interview with how they phrase questions, but this is not the primary method news agencies use to manipulate their audience. The main method is to censor the news by not covering it, or by covering it very briefly and skipping on by.

The very worst case of news media abuse this last decade is certainly the way the major networks refused to cover the Benghazi story. The President was caught red-handed lying to the American people on national TV during a debate and the media let it slip by on purpose. There are easily ten big, important stories about Benghazi and the leftist media did not cover them except in brief passing. That is evidence of abuse of power and slanting the news, not some quirky abusive conversation you once saw. Too, you should realize that much of what is on FOX is not news. If you fail to draw the distinction properly you'll have these misapprehensions. O'Reilly, Hannity and Colmes, etc. are not news shows. They're op ed shows. The format for them and expectations one ought to have about them has nothing to do with news. They are cheerleading shows, like Donahue. Got little to do with news. They are commentary.

As far as manipulating people using the rhetorical fallacy known as slating through use of emotional language, that is almost exclusively the province of the liberal media. When someone on FOX stands up to support a pro-life position, it is obvious what they're doing. When someone on ABC, NBC, CBS, BBC, CNN, NPR, etc force feeds their audience their views on gay rights, amnesty for illegal immigrants or gun control, they do it without bringing up the issue or discussing it. Instead, they imply that those who hold a view different than what they hold are heartless, or unsophisticated, or ignorant, or part of some group they then castigate like "rednecks".

If you think being insulting on some op ed show is a sign of media bias, your elevator ain't goin' up to the top floor.

[Skipjack]

When did you move?

June

[Diogenes]

Skippy is an Austrian citizen, so he only voted for Obama if he happened to be in the country during the election.

Foreigners, even those with a permanent residence can not legally vote on a federal election, even if Fox news claims that by some mystery means even illegals can somehow vote. No idea how they can register for voting, I sure cant...

Humor doesn't always translate into another language. My point was that Obama was receiving illegal votes from foreigners in the same manner he was receiving illegal campaign cash from foreigners. There was a lot of fraud in the last election. A lot of people are actually speculating that he didn't win if the fraud was removed from the total.

Races in which you have 100% turnout with 100% voting for the Socialist are common in the Communist bloc, but pretty much impossible in an actual election.

would he have voted for OBama?

This election would have been a very difficult choice for me and it was for many people that I know, left and right. Basically it was the choice between a giant douche and a turd sandwich. I thought the giant douche that we have "enjoyed" for the past 4 years was a bit less disgusting than the turd sandwich, but not by much...

And the reason you think that is because everything you've heard or seen came from Liberal Democrat Union Members who were Hired in New York. (Voted Obama 79% in 2008) You won't get the truth from that lot.

Had the dems lost this election, it would have been because they sucked so much and because of all the crap Obama has pulled (NDAA, CISPA, SOPA, etc) and not because his opponent ,the turd sandwich was that good. I really hope to see some more leadership material next election. If these two are the best the western society has to offer, I will just quote an old buddy here on the forum: "we are doomed, doomed, I say!".

Oh we're doomed. The last hope was to let Romney work on Economic problems. (His forte) I didn't like Romney, but it wasn't because of his Economic Abilities, It was because I have seen Northeastern Rino Republicans continuously get elected to office, then screw over the Conservatives that helped them get there. The Biggest bunch of Backstabbers in the Republican party are those F***** NorthEastern Republicans.

As one man put it, "Romney wasn't my first choice, or my second, or my third, but now I will crawl over 8 miles of broken glass just to vote for him. "

Even though I fully expected Romney to backstab any conservative supporters he had, I also realized that if the Nation's economics are not taken care of first, nothing else will matter at all. Now I just suggest everyone prepare for the crash. Romney was the last chance to prevent it.

[Diogenes]

Fox is by far the least slanted and most objective.

LOOOOL!
As I said "Shut up!", "Cut his mike", slander, swear words towards interviewees, etc. I have never seen that on any other news station, no matter how biased.
Also lets not forget "Some people say" as a means of inserting some agenda into the "fair and balanced" news report.

And when have you seen such a thing on Fox? I have certainly not seen such a thing. If such a thing happened, the recepient probably deserved it. I can think of half a dozen liberal asswipes that need to be told "Shut Up!" and have their mike cut.

Skippy did say he was becoming a US citizen.

I never said that. I said I was becoming a permanent resident, which I am now. I am living and working in the US and paying US taxes (and quite a bit).

Oh goody! Another Socialist minded drone to further dilute the functionality of our once great nation.

I think that this does give me the right to some form of opinion, no?

You might think so, but perversely no. In the 1960s, the United States collectively made two huge mistakes. One of them was called the 24th amendment, and the other was called the 26th amendment.

The 24th was an effort to suppress racial discrimination in voting, but it had the side effect of making taxes irrelevant to who gets to elect the government. (With predictable results of the Give-away crowd running away with it ever since.)

The 26th was an anti-war effort, and the States should have been smarter than to ratify it. It too has removed a great deal of responsible decision making from the process of electing the government.