Who's gonna win?

GIThruster · Post by **GIThruster** » Tue Nov 06, 2012 6:29 pm

ScottL wrote:Ehhh Romney is Bush Jr. 2.0, will spend faster and commit to more wars with greater devastation.

Sounds like MSNBC's talking points. What do you base this on?

Diogenes · Post by **Diogenes** » Tue Nov 06, 2012 6:47 pm

ScottL wrote:
Diogenes wrote:
ScottL wrote: My big prediction, Obama win in a relatively close election. I'm pretty sure Obama has the lock on Ohio since Romney's Chrysler gaffe and being a native Ohioan, all I'm hearing is a lot of rage over his commenting on anything auto related. Florida on the other hand is a tough one, but it appears they're giving out absentee ballots after the failed decrease in early voting schedule so that looks like it is going to bite Republican's chances in the ass a bit. Not saying it swings Florida one way or the other, but it definitely energized the liberal voters a bit. Iowa and Wisconsin are leaning blue and combined with a strong potential of getting Ohio, I'd say that's a lock for Obama, but that is of course my arm-chair analysis.

Re-electing Obama is like the Titanic backing up and hitting the Iceberg a second time.
Ehhh Romney is Bush Jr. 2.0, will spend faster and commit to more wars with greater devastation. Lose-Lose? Perhaps.

You must get your news from Liberal Democrats, hired from New York City (79% for Barack Obama) and who join a Union.

Might as well ask the opinion of KKK members about blacks. You won't get the truth from that crowd.

ScottL · Post by **ScottL** » Tue Nov 06, 2012 7:49 pm

I think you're better than that Diogenes. You know Romney will add more to the deficit than Obama has in his first 4 years if elected. This is truth, fact, etc. You can't double defense spending while claiming tax cuts, while positioning for war with Iran and some how come out ahead. It just isn't going to happen.

Diogenes · Post by **Diogenes** » Tue Nov 06, 2012 8:16 pm

ScottL wrote:I think you're better than that Diogenes. You know Romney will add more to the deficit than Obama has in his first 4 years if elected.

On what basis can you possibly say such a thing? Obama has supposedly spent more money than all previous Presidents combined, and you think Romney is going to beat that? You've been on the left coast too long. Here in Reality-land, no one is entertaining such nonsense.

ScottL wrote: This is truth, fact, etc. You can't double defense spending while claiming tax cuts, while positioning for war with Iran and some how come out ahead. It just isn't going to happen.

Tax cuts produced more revenue when Reagan tried them. Unfortunately, the Democrats who controlled Congress spent even more money than the new revenue could bring in.

As for war with Iran, had it not been for that IDIOT Jimmy Carter, (Whom Obama most closely resembles in Foreign Policy) we never would have been put into this position in the first place.

If we should have to go to war with Iran, it will be a necessary war, and the consequence of not doing it will be far more costly. Obama won't get us involved in a war with Iran, that's for sure, but Obama won't mind at all if millions of people die as a result of his inaction. (As millions died in the Iran-Iraq war, which wouldn't have happened had Carter Never been President.)

Anyway, let me guess. Back in Ohio, your family is Union Democrat?

GIThruster · Post by **GIThruster** » Tue Nov 06, 2012 9:13 pm

ScottL wrote:I think you're better than that Diogenes. You know Romney will add more to the deficit than Obama has in his first 4 years if elected. This is truth, fact, etc. You can't double defense spending while claiming tax cuts, while positioning for war with Iran and some how come out ahead. It just isn't going to happen.

Romney wants to increase defense spending, which I am not an advocate of, but he hasn't proposed anything like doubling it. The 2 Trillion dollar increase is over the course of the next decade.

Personally, I'm hoping for sequestration.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezr ... se-it-for/

mvanwink5 · Post by **mvanwink5** » Tue Nov 06, 2012 9:18 pm

Diogenes wrote:Re-electing Obama is like the Titanic backing up and hitting the Iceberg a second time.

That is memorably funny; I hope that I don't see it.

seedload · Post by **seedload** » Tue Nov 06, 2012 9:39 pm

ScottL wrote:I think you're better than that Diogenes. You know Romney will add more to the deficit than Obama has in his first 4 years if elected. This is truth, fact, etc. You can't double defense spending while claiming tax cuts, while positioning for war with Iran and some how come out ahead. It just isn't going to happen.

I think if you didn't make up stuff your arguments might be better received. Where do you get that Romney is proposing to double defense spending. That's insane.

paperburn1 · Post by **paperburn1** » Tue Nov 06, 2012 10:05 pm

Sadly reports of fraud are viral right now Internet is all in an uproar

ScottL · Post by **ScottL** » Tue Nov 06, 2012 10:05 pm

My family is a long line of I'd guess you'd say Lincoln Conservatives. We have a long history since pre-civil war helping slaves escape as part of the underground railroad. We were quite fiscally conservative before the Great Depression and rode through it rather successfully. We all hold those same values, we just think the Republican party stopped evolving a long time ago. Now the family is split evenly, but I view it as a balance. In my opinon, the nation is simply too far radically right (not radically) and Obama is the exact result of that hard right fanatically swing. As far as we as a family are concerned though, both parties are one in the same, regardless of whatever histories they may have held at one time. As for me, I'm voting Obama because I think he as an individual is quite intelligent and has made ample attempts to reach across the aisle, but when the other side is too busy making comments like "our sole focus is to remove him from presidency" before the man has even served is ludacrous in every way.

ScottL · Post by **ScottL** » Tue Nov 06, 2012 10:16 pm

seedload wrote:
ScottL wrote:I think you're better than that Diogenes. You know Romney will add more to the deficit than Obama has in his first 4 years if elected. This is truth, fact, etc. You can't double defense spending while claiming tax cuts, while positioning for war with Iran and some how come out ahead. It just isn't going to happen.
I think if you didn't make up stuff your arguments might be better received. Where do you get that Romney is proposing to double defense spending. That's insane.

Washington Post
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezr ... se-it-for/

Fox News
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q= ... Q6Ohw0ibrg

I can link you to the debates as well if you like.....but you know Romney saying it himself isn't "FACT" for you apparently. So you know, whatever, ....fantasy world and all right?

I agree with GTI and the defense spending though, I don't buy into it and I think when the DOD tells you they don't need something, they don't. Hell they've been saying to stop making tanks, but now California is slowly being covered in them.....

GIThruster · Post by **GIThruster** » Tue Nov 06, 2012 10:39 pm

ScottL wrote:....but you know Romney saying it himself isn't "FACT" for you apparently.

Hard to take you seriously when you keep repeating the same bogus factoids. You are wrong. AGAIN. You sound like another MSNBC drone.

I .looked at the first link. It is the same link I posed before you. I watched the vid at the second link . There isn no claim there by Romney. There is no support for your misstatement of the facts.

ScottL · Post by **ScottL** » Tue Nov 06, 2012 11:56 pm

GIThruster wrote:
ScottL wrote:....but you know Romney saying it himself isn't "FACT" for you apparently.
Hard to take you seriously when you keep repeating the same bogus factoids. You are wrong. AGAIN. You sound like another MSNBC drone.

I .looked at the first link. It is the same link I posed before you. I watched the vid at the second link . There isn no claim there by Romney. There is no support for your misstatement of the facts.

GTIThruster, I don't think you're understanding what I'm saying, but perhaps this will clarify. I'm stating as fact that Romney has said he wishes to increase defense spending. I'm stating as fact that the quoted budget increase over a decade as you noted is 2 trillion dollars. There is nothing within these that is bogus, it is simply what he has stated. Are you saying he never said any of this?

Here is a factual claim:

http://mittromneycentral.com/on-the-iss ... l-defense/

Increase defense budget to 4% of GDP (gross domestic product).

hanelyp · Post by **hanelyp** » Wed Nov 07, 2012 3:29 am

I expected democrat fraud and misconduct, but nothing this blatant:
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/ele ... 61843.html
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/11 ... officials/
http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2012/1 ... ing-place/

I have to wonder, what happened while republican poll officials were excluded?

mvanwink5 · Post by **mvanwink5** » Wed Nov 07, 2012 4:26 am

Face it, Republicans are plain social progressive idiots to have lost this election. What is the chance that they will figure it out? Zero.

palladin9479 · Post by **palladin9479** » Wed Nov 07, 2012 5:40 am

Hmmm I'm not normally one to say this but..

I told you so

President Obama only had to win a few battleground states to get the 37~40 extra ECV's needed to bring him to 70. Governor Romney needed 64~70 extra ECV's. Isn't much of a "race" when one person starts halfway to the finish.

Now lets see if the GOP can pull their collective heads out of their fifth point of contact and get sh!t done rather then focusing on being obstructionists. Their spent four years of head work trying to deny President Obama a 2nd term and they just failed, what a waste of four years that they could of spent actually fixing things and making progress in the world. No wonder Olympia retired.

Now chime in with all the cries of "fraud" and "they dun stole our here election". You'll sound just like the Democrats did in 2004.