Has The Drug War Corrupted The FBI?

[ladajo]

Yes, I know who they are/were, but that does not mean, nor do I believe, you were SAP for on-orbit Caps & Lims, and is certainly not something that should be discussed in an open forum. Polys and randoms would have prevented that.
In any event, as I know they primarily went for aircraft systems.
But that also does not answer the mail regarding LOS and OTH radars, and your proposed theory that we have Total Volume Domination.

[Diogenes]

and here I thought the drug war had only corrupted CIA, DEA, Justice and Homeland Security.

Don't you know? Prohibition is the original sin. It has corrupted all of mankind! It is so malignant that it has created a corruption wave traveling forward and backward throughout time corrupting mankind in the past and in future history not yet written. It is the essence of pure evil. Each and every time a two year old gets it's hand slapped, the wave gains strength!

If we do not take immediate steps to give the self-indulgent people of the world free reign on all their whims, the prohibition time wave will destroy the UNIVERSE!

Twas always thus. Glad to see you supporting prohibition. Without folks like you the illegal drug cartels would be out of business and I might be able to visit my brother some place besides his grave site:

http://powerandcontrol.blogspot.com/201 ... blame.html

Jeff came to me in a vision about 10 or 15 years ago and made me promise to do everything in my power to end drug prohibition. I am and I will until it is over or the cartels or the police strike me down.

Fortunately D you are in no such danger.

It must feel really good D to be part of a bootlegger/Baptist coalition. Morality in the service of crime. An unbeatable coalition. For now. And you are proud of it. Do they still teach morality in your church? No doubt.

Oh come on. My post was in jest and you know it. Why lay such heavy vibes on me?

Also why are you always trying to categorize me as this or that? I'll have you know I don't fit well in ANY coalition.

[Diogenes]

Yes, I know who they are/were, but that does not mean, nor do I believe, you were SAP for on-orbit Caps & Lims, and is certainly not something that should be discussed in an open forum. Polys and randoms would have prevented that.
In any event, as I know they primarily went for aircraft systems.
But that also does not answer the mail regarding LOS and OTH radars, and your proposed theory that we have Total Volume Domination.

I remember years ago as part of an Advanced communications class we were touring the Radio/Radar school to see real world examples of the technology we were learning about. The Officer giving the tour showed us several radar sets, including a mobile phased array radar trailer of which he was quite proud. He explained that it was an artillery tracking radar, and it could locate the origin of the projectile by tracking it's arc. He explained what each piece was used for except for one section of it. He said he couldn't go into what that section was used for because it was classified, but it consisted of mixers, amplifiers, resonate cavities and what not.

I looked at it for a minute or so and said it was probably a means by which they could identify the types of shells being tracked by dint of their re-resonant characteristics with the radar beam used to track them. It allowed our side to determine what shells were being fired so as to be able to tell whether they were ours or the enemy's. A sort of IFF for artillery shells.

He gave me a shocked look for a few seconds, and then quickly sputtered something about how he wasn't going to respond to speculation, and we should move on to the next exhibit, which we did.

If you have a grasp on what is possible, it will sometimes allows you to figure out what someone might be doing.

[MSimon]

Yes, I know who they are/were, but that does not mean, nor do I believe, you were SAP for on-orbit Caps & Lims, and is certainly not something that should be discussed in an open forum. Polys and randoms would have prevented that.
In any event, as I know they primarily went for aircraft systems.
But that also does not answer the mail regarding LOS and OTH radars, and your proposed theory that we have Total Volume Domination.

What I know I heard from the water cooler. I was not cleared for classified at that job. I was working on a imaging sight for the Avenger. RS-170 stuff. Recon didn't win the contract. I have no idea why as my contract was terminated about a week or two after the design was submitted. And then there was the Israeli problem a few years after I left. And the news is 15 years old. And I said nothing about radar. The discussion was about reading the logo on a golf ball.

There is the obvious problem of atmospheric wiggle and diffraction limits.

Given the deep UV imaging done on microchips I would imagine the problem of diffraction limits has been at least been partially solved. And I have some idea of how I might solve the wiggle problem. Without using lasers.

And I gave no numbers. All I said was that at the time of the shoot down reading the logo on a golf ball was not possible. Now it is more than possible I'm confusing aircraft and satellite systems. All the better.

Most military secrets of that kind are only secret from the US public. After 15 years my bet is that almost every adversary knows by now what we could do back then. The most damaging secrets to let out are operational information. And that becomes stale over time.

This video of police operational secrets is a case in point.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=c3d_1202194575

[MSimon]

D,

I lost a brother to the Drug War cross fire. Any support for that abomination is personal for me. In jest or other wise. It is an old wound that will not heal until no one else's brother is in the line of fire. I even gave a guy who is on my side a blast for it. It is not you. It is me. And for me it is a grudge match.

FYI my contact on capitol hill thinks the Rs are in great danger because of their position.

He thought this was a very good synopsis of what the Rs will be up against:

http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/09/ ... _plan.html

The Ds are counting on R opposition to make political headway. The issue has the minimum potential of turning a rout for them into a mere defeat. And if they play it right and the Rs play it wrong they could retain the Presidency - which would be a total disaster for the US.

T -10 days and counting. Write your R Congress critters and warn them. Get your friends to do the same. I have already gotten my warnings in to Sarah P. The only possible counter to what the Ds have in store is a strategic retreat. Let them attack an empty space.

[MSimon]

I'm on a list with a bunch of anti-prohibitionists. About 90% Ds and 10% libertarians. And I can tell you the Ds especially are sharpening their knives getting ready for 2 Oct. The Rs are not well versed on the subject and the Ds will have the dominant position. Esp. once the MSM raises their volume.

I'm feeding them everything I have to great joy on their part. I'm feeding the same stuff to Rs and I'm ignored at best or thoroughly denounced. (I'm an open source kind of guy).

There is a population inversion vs policy - something on the order of 75% of the population say it isn't working. That is a HUGE opportunity for the first Party to move on the issue. The crack can propagate very fast under those circumstances.

What I see right now is a huge R complacency. They look at the poll numbers and say: "a cake walk". It will not be a cake walk. They will attack where you are not ready to defend. Wise for them. Totally stupid for the Rs.

[choff]

D,

I lost a brother to the Drug War cross fire. Any support for that abomination is personal for me. In jest or other wise. It is an old wound that will not heal until no one else's brother is in the line of fire. I even gave a guy who is on my side a blast for it. It is not you. It is me. And for me it is a grudge match.

FYI my contact on capitol hill thinks the Rs are in great danger because of their position.

He thought this was a very good synopsis of what the Rs will be up against:

http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/09/ ... _plan.html

The Ds are counting on R opposition to make political headway. The issue has the minimum potential of turning a rout for them into a mere defeat. And if they play it right and the Rs play it wrong they could retain the Presidency - which would be a total disaster for the US.

T -10 days and counting. Write your R Congress critters and warn them. Get your friends to do the same. I have already gotten my warnings in to Sarah P. The only possible counter to what the Ds have in store is a strategic retreat. Let them attack an empty space.

The opposition to legalization also comes from personal experiences. Ultimately the real problem is the human condition, if we didn't have a drug war we'd find something else to create the same level of misery. and we will.

[MSimon]

Choff,

Yes. And those personal experiences are powerful too. The difficulty for the Rs is that those experiences will be ascribed to Prohibition and not the Drugs. And if you have studied the matter the anti-prohibitionists have an excellent case.

For instance: overdose deaths in Switzerland have gone to zero. The case of the US shutting down a successful program in England can be cited.

I know prohibition as well as I know Polywell and I can tell you the Rs are NOT READY. The problem in a nutshell: The Rs have faith and the Ds have facts. In fact a D was complimenting me the other day on how fact filled my posts on the subject are . The Rs don't want to know. Drives me nuts.

T -10 days and counting.

Or how about this: the vast vast majority of illegal drug use in America is due to PTSD and the majority of that is due to child abuse. Those are facts. And I have a report I am working on that says nothing works well to even ameliorate that except the illegal drugs.

So what is the counter to, "the Rs want to abuse abused children". The only counter is: we must stop prohibition to get those drugs to the people in need. It is the Christian thing to do.

Or how about enforcement is racially skewed (it is - we have statistical evidence and the evidence of a Black DEA agent who wanted to work white neighborhoods). Well you know where that will go. The Republicans are racists.

I could go on.

When it is just me - well I'm easily ignored or shouted down. When you have gales of that coming from the MSM? The Rs are not ready.

75%

[MSimon]

Here is the veterans bit I promised:

And I have a report I am working on that says nothing works well to even ameliorate that except the illegal drugs.

http://hippies4palin.blogspot.com/2011/ ... ently.html

[Giorgio]

I hope you guys get rid of those nonsense laws as soon as possible, because as soon as you drop them most of the EU countries will most probably follow the example. Once that is done we can go back to spend time and money on the real issues of our society.

What nonsense laws? Are you referring to the Racism of prohibiting drug use, or the Sexism of prohibiting drug use? Perhaps you are referring to the torture of people in pain from depriving them of their self medication? Or are you referring to American support for the murder of Mexicans? Could it be that you are referring to the creation of a George Orwell style police state? I really can't determine which aspect is the worst.

I am referring to the rigth of any individual to do and dispose of his own person as he likes and prefers without the government or any other organization preventing him to do so.

Your rights ends where my rights starts.
This should be the only real law that we need as a race.

It begs another question. Why must the European countries be lap dogs for American laws about drugs?

Not all of them are, but every time that some EU country tried to oppose the view of the American Politicians on drugs it almost immediately ended up on some sort of commercial/business/political black list. Politicians of rich countries have always adopted this bullying technique with less rich countries. Nothing new under the sun IMHO.

[Diogenes]

I hope you guys get rid of those nonsense laws as soon as possible, because as soon as you drop them most of the EU countries will most probably follow the example. Once that is done we can go back to spend time and money on the real issues of our society.

What nonsense laws? Are you referring to the Racism of prohibiting drug use, or the Sexism of prohibiting drug use? Perhaps you are referring to the torture of people in pain from depriving them of their self medication? Or are you referring to American support for the murder of Mexicans? Could it be that you are referring to the creation of a George Orwell style police state? I really can't determine which aspect is the worst.

I am referring to the right of any individual to do and dispose of his own person as he likes and prefers without the government or any other organization preventing him to do so.

If you take into account the long term effects on others from people doing what they want, then I have no problem with this notion. The problem is, the advocates of this stuff can't see ten years into the future to the part where the destruction begins.

Some acts merely light a fuse, to explode in the future. The downside to others isn't apparent at first. It took 200 years to turn China into a drug addicted feeble nation able to be overrun by the much smaller nation of Japan. I will not bore you with my countless arguments and examples of how such a simple philosophy goes awry. I will just suggest you look deeper than the obvious.

Your rights ends where my rights starts.
This should be the only real law that we need as a race.

Where do my rights start in not paying for other people's bad decisions? Do they ever begin? Why must I provide money for foolish people to sit comfortably in a home enjoying their sloth and decadence while I and others must provide the money which allows them to continue?

It begs another question. Why must the European countries be lap dogs for American laws about drugs?

Not all of them are, but every time that some EU country tried to oppose the view of the American Politicians on drugs it almost immediately ended up on some sort of commercial/business/political black list. Politicians of rich countries have always adopted this bullying technique with less rich countries. Nothing new under the sun IMHO.

I see no boundary between fiscal responsibility and social responsibility. They are the same thing in my mind, and a lack of one will eventually result in a lack of the other. I would love for some country to throw the switch and cut the break cables regarding their drug laws. If it works, then the rest of us can follow, but if it blows up as I suspect it will, the rest of us can use it as a negative example.

Will some nation not agree to step on this land mine?

[choff]

I left out the ATF from the list of corrupted agencies, sorry.

http://www.redstate.com/erick/2011/03/1 ... ack-obama/

[Giorgio]

If you take into account the long term effects on others from people doing what they want, then I have no problem with this notion. The problem is, the advocates of this stuff can't see ten years into the future to the part where the destruction begins.

Well, these are the same arguments that have been used throughout history every time that some fundamental social change was taking place.
I understand that catastrophic scenario are a powerful tool to impress fear of changes in the brain of the people, but we have plenty of examples in the last 100 years that these scenarios never become real.

Some acts merely light a fuse, to explode in the future. The downside to others isn't apparent at first. It took 200 years to turn China into a drug addicted feeble nation able to be overrun by the much smaller nation of Japan. I will not bore you with my countless arguments and examples of how such a simple philosophy goes awry. I will just suggest you look deeper than the obvious.

If you are talking about the first Japan-China war in 1894 than the reason of China loss of the war are much more complicated than the drug usage of part of his civil population.
Infrastructure and logistic (as well as a low troops morale due to no national pride) were the main reasons of that defeat.

Your rights ends where my rights starts.
This should be the only real law that we need as a race.

Where do my rights start in not paying for other people's bad decisions? Do they ever begin? Why must I provide money for foolish people to sit comfortably in a home enjoying their sloth and decadence while I and others must provide the money which allows them to continue?

Well, these are two different issues and I do not see why we should mix them. Anyhow, I never said that welfare laws should not be changed.
I also strongly believe that with freedom comes responsibilities. Live as you like, but do not complain of the result of your actions.
Yet, a food stamp program is quite a different issue and covers a much broader range of distressed people than simple "light drug smokers".

I see no boundary between fiscal responsibility and social responsibility. They are the same thing in my mind, and a lack of one will eventually result in a lack of the other. I would love for some country to throw the switch and cut the break cables regarding their drug laws. If it works, then the rest of us can follow, but if it blows up as I suspect it will, the rest of us can use it as a negative example.

Will some nation not agree to step on this land mine?

Look what is happening in Switzerland. Is just a small trial project, but the results are over the expectations.

[Diogenes]

If you take into account the long term effects on others from people doing what they want, then I have no problem with this notion. The problem is, the advocates of this stuff can't see ten years into the future to the part where the destruction begins.

Well, these are the same arguments that have been used throughout history every time that some fundamental social change was taking place.
I understand that catastrophic scenario are a powerful tool to impress fear of changes in the brain of the people, but we have plenty of examples in the last 100 years that these scenarios never become real.

We have one extensive and glaring example that it does. China.

Some acts merely light a fuse, to explode in the future. The downside to others isn't apparent at first. It took 200 years to turn China into a drug addicted feeble nation able to be overrun by the much smaller nation of Japan. I will not bore you with my countless arguments and examples of how such a simple philosophy goes awry. I will just suggest you look deeper than the obvious.

If you are talking about the first Japan-China war in 1894 than the reason of China loss of the war are much more complicated than the drug usage of part of his civil population.
Infrastructure and logistic (as well as a low troops morale due to no national pride) were the main reasons of that defeat.

I am referring to the Japan's invasion of China during the second world war. Prior to that China had a serious problem with drugs. Here is a link that I have used before.

Then, in 1906, the incredible happened. After over a hundred years of steady demoralization, with half her population opium addicts, or worse still, making enormous profits out of the trade, China determined to give up opium.

Also, check out some of the info in this thread. (We've had this discussion before. )

viewtopic.php?p=57391&highlight=opium+import#57391



CHESTS of OPIUM brought into China.

Your rights ends where my rights starts.
This should be the only real law that we need as a race.

Where do my rights start in not paying for other people's bad decisions? Do they ever begin? Why must I provide money for foolish people to sit comfortably in a home enjoying their sloth and decadence while I and others must provide the money which allows them to continue?

Well, these are two different issues and I do not see why we should mix them. Anyhow, I never said that welfare laws should not be changed.
I also strongly believe that with freedom comes responsibilities. Live as you like, but do not complain of the result of your actions.
Yet, a food stamp program is quite a different issue and covers a much broader range of distressed people than simple "light drug smokers".

I see no boundary between the two issues. They are just different manifestations of the same underlying cause. Societal indulgence of self destructive behavior.

I see no boundary between fiscal responsibility and social responsibility. They are the same thing in my mind, and a lack of one will eventually result in a lack of the other. I would love for some country to throw the switch and cut the break cables regarding their drug laws. If it works, then the rest of us can follow, but if it blows up as I suspect it will, the rest of us can use it as a negative example.

Will some nation not agree to step on this land mine?

Look what is happening in Switzerland. Is just a small trial project, but the results are over the expectations.

To Which program in Switzerland are you referring? I have read that the "needles park" idea was a complete failure. Anyways, any results purported to be from a successful program are likely to be too optimistic in the short run. China took a over 100 years to develop massive and widespread addiction.

Platzspitz, Zurich Switzerland.

[MSimon]

Love the graphics D. Very helpful.

Did you know that 70% of female heroin addicts were sexually molested as Children?

I'm all for the Pagan solution: abuse them some more.

BTW before the Harrison narcotics act: 1.3% of Americans were heroin/opiate users. Almost 100 years of Drug War later there has been tremendous progress.

Currently only 1.3% of Americans are heroin/opiate users. All the money spent was worth it.

BTW Switzerland cleaned up those needle parks by voting TWICE to legalize heroin. But I get your point. Without keeping the drugs illegal how will you get all those wonderful graphics?