10KW LENR Demonstrator?

tomclarke · Post by **tomclarke** » Mon Jun 20, 2011 4:37 pm

You will have to repost it if you want a comment I am afraid, since I do not remember seeing it.

seedload · Post by **seedload** » Mon Jun 20, 2011 4:50 pm

Axil wrote:I posted how the enrichment is done. That post was not believable?

I suppose that you are referring to the post below, which I read at the time. Again, Axil, I am sorry for my lack of understanding but I could not determine what the Soret effect had to do with isotopic separation/enrichment of Nickel. So, no.

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Giorgio · Post by **Giorgio** » Mon Jun 20, 2011 4:55 pm

D Tibbets wrote:Why abandom the possibility of a scam?
There are a lot of effects that should be obvious if you have a 10-20,000 Watt steam heater in a room for months- like sauna effect, air conditioning bills, etc. Then there is the radiation shielding issues that are not really addressed, except that ~ 1/2 inch of lead is adiquate, etc.

You are right on your points.
I abandoned the possibility of the scam after meeting an old friend who knows Focardi since years and assured me on his intellectual honesty.
Let me put it this way, if it is a scam I strongly believe that Levi and Focardi are getting involved into it without realizing it.

Giorgio · Post by **Giorgio** » Mon Jun 20, 2011 4:59 pm

Joseph Chikva wrote:Ok Georgio.
How you wish. It less interesting for me. As I think that it can not work. Bad interpretation of results? Probably yes and on base of those bad results ambitious claims confirmed with nothing.
Best wishes.

You are quite a difficult person to understand....

Joseph Chikva · Post by **Joseph Chikva** » Mon Jun 20, 2011 5:14 pm

Giorgio wrote:
Joseph Chikva wrote:Ok Georgio.
How you wish. It less interesting for me. As I think that it can not work. Bad interpretation of results? Probably yes and on base of those bad results ambitious claims confirmed with nothing.
Best wishes.
You are quite a difficult person to understand....

Very simple.
I have bothered to discuss Mr. Rossi's unpromising device.

Giorgio · Post by **Giorgio** » Mon Jun 20, 2011 5:33 pm

Joseph Chikva wrote:Very simple.
I have bothered to discuss Mr. Rossi's unpromising device.

I didn't look like that to me, but if you say so I won't argue.
Have a good day.

Axil · Post by **Axil** » Mon Jun 20, 2011 5:38 pm

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Brian Ahern from Ames has implemented the duel metal nickel hydrogen setup described in this post and has found that anomalous heat is produced. A successful predictive track record is forming.

KitemanSA my ego is inflating, do your job.

Giorgio · Post by **Giorgio** » Mon Jun 20, 2011 6:02 pm

Axil wrote:viewtopic.php?p=55803#55803

Brian Ahern from Ames has implemented the duel metal nickel hydrogen setup described in this post and has found that anomalous heat is produced. A successful predictive track record is forming.

I do not see any track, same way as I do not see any data.
Must we go through this every single time someone claims something?

When you have evidences drop a note here, until than is pretty useless to get all excited.

Luzr · Post by **Luzr** » Mon Jun 20, 2011 6:16 pm

Giorgio wrote:
D Tibbets wrote:Why abandom the possibility of a scam?
There are a lot of effects that should be obvious if you have a 10-20,000 Watt steam heater in a room for months- like sauna effect, air conditioning bills, etc. Then there is the radiation shielding issues that are not really addressed, except that ~ 1/2 inch of lead is adiquate, etc.
You are right on your points.
I abandoned the possibility of the scam after meeting an old friend who knows Focardi since years and assured me on his intellectual honesty.
Let me put it this way, if it is a scam I strongly believe that Levi and Focardi are getting involved into it without realizing it.

BTW, it is quite interesting to note one difference here. Whereas US scientists/engineers require coherent data, no matter who has produced them, it looks to me that in Italy all based on faith in authority...

Not sure what to take from this lesson, though

tomclarke · Post by **tomclarke** » Mon Jun 20, 2011 6:23 pm

Axil wrote:viewtopic.php?p=55803#55803

Brian Ahern from Ames has implemented the duel metal nickel hydrogen setup described in this post and has found that anomalous heat is produced. A successful predictive track record is forming.

KitemanSA my ego is inflating, do your job.

Let me take a turn.

have you looked carefully at the Ahern experiment?

Let me describe it. He heats up powder Ni+H2 with an unknown but asumed constant electric heater, inside a belljar. He observes the temperature trace with the heater on an assumed constant power. It overshoots, then stabileses at Ta. He then evacuates the belljar, adds more H2 (under 100 atmospheres pressure), repeats the procedure using the same electrical setop (heater + rheostat as before & therefore assumed same constant input power)

After several repeats he notices that the temperature, instead of overshooting and dropping by 50C from peak, stays high "indefinitely". He interprets this to mean indefinite production of heat from the Ni/H2.

Do I need to point oiut that this experiment is inherently flakey, with possible other reasons for the change in temperature curve that would need to be eliminated before "indefinite heat production" is adduced?

Of course, if there is any such effect, with indefinite heat produced (Ahern estimates 5W, with continuous 90W in if I remember right), it would not be difficult to measure this directly, in such a way as to make an impressive demonstration indeed.

Perhaps that will happen. All I am saying is till it does you can deduce nothing useful from this experiment.

tomclarke · Post by **tomclarke** » Mon Jun 20, 2011 6:26 pm

Giorgio wrote:
D Tibbets wrote:Why abandom the possibility of a scam?
There are a lot of effects that should be obvious if you have a 10-20,000 Watt steam heater in a room for months- like sauna effect, air conditioning bills, etc. Then there is the radiation shielding issues that are not really addressed, except that ~ 1/2 inch of lead is adiquate, etc.
You are right on your points.
I abandoned the possibility of the scam after meeting an old friend who knows Focardi since years and assured me on his intellectual honesty.
Let me put it this way, if it is a scam I strongly believe that Levi and Focardi are getting involved into it without realizing it.

That is entirely possible. They are not the same as Rossi.

Luzr · Post by **Luzr** » Mon Jun 20, 2011 6:29 pm

Giorgio wrote:When you have evidences drop a note here, until than is pretty useless to get all excited.

Actually, after reading all 170 pages, I would say what Axil and Kite are posting is the only sensible thing to do.

I mean: this is 90% scam. However, there is 10% possibility that Rossi accidentally found something and is only completely stupid on bussines/science part.

As I see it makes sense to try to replicate e-cat, to start experimenting with Ni-H systems, catalysts etc. Costs are low, lower than those required for Polywell, not to say anything about ITER. Possible gains if something is there are immeasurable.

So, if it is a scam, it is scam and you have made a good laugh of Rossi on more than 150 pages. Do you plan to continue for next 300 pages until October?

If there is something, I believe that many people are now starting to experiment with this kind of system and the "secret catalyst" will be patented soon by somebody else very soon... (and in that case, Rossi will get what he deserves for his missmanagement of bussiness and scientific affairs

Giorgio · Post by **Giorgio** » Mon Jun 20, 2011 6:34 pm

Luzr wrote:BTW, it is quite interesting to note one difference here. Whereas US scientists/engineers require coherent data, no matter who has produced them, it looks to me that in Italy all based on faith in authority...

Not sure what to take from this lesson, though

I do not agree with this. If you go back and look in past history you will find plenty of example where authority ha always been the main driving factor in scientific research. Be it in USA or in Europe.

The difference I find is in the number of educated people that can object to a suffocating authority. European nations, each being individually smaller than USA, have much less educated people that can react as an opposition group.
Apart this, I can assure you that if Rossi goes to Milano Eng. University and asks them to certify his machine without allowing a full testing procedure, he will be laughed to.
But I do agree with you that the case of these UoB professors siding with Rossi without bringing any scientific evidence on the table is pretty embarrassing till now.

KitemanSA · Post by **KitemanSA** » Mon Jun 20, 2011 6:57 pm

Axil wrote:viewtopic.php?p=55803#55803

Brian Ahern from Ames has implemented the duel metal nickel hydrogen setup described in this post and has found that anomalous heat is produced. A successful predictive track record is forming.

KitemanSA my ego is inflating, do your job.

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KitemanSA · Post by **KitemanSA** » Mon Jun 20, 2011 7:06 pm

Hey, folks. After being conditioned early by his bombastic attitude to stay away from his posts, I finally actually read some of Axil's screeds and between the obnoxious holier than thow attitude he sometimes comes up with some interesting snippits. Now all I have to do is choose between the pain of reading his stuff and the gain of the snippits.

Oh the pain, oh the gain...