10KW LENR Demonstrator?

Giorgio · Post by **Giorgio** » Thu Jun 16, 2011 8:38 pm

I am back to Milano. No word from Krivit neither from my post on his blog, neither from the e-mail I sent to him (thanks to Bruce for sending me his e-mail!).
Friday I'll be all day here attending some other business, and I kept all the evening free to meet him if he replies to my request.

Joseph Chikva · Post by **Joseph Chikva** » Thu Jun 16, 2011 8:41 pm

Kahuna wrote:
breakaway wrote:The problem is there are guys in every board like Chikva who thinks they are smarter or know more than someone who actively seeks answers like Krivat. These boards are great for spewing opinions but it is unreasonable to buy into these opinions over first hand witnesses.
I have never found it very useful to "discuss" something with someone who has totally made up their minds on a subject. You try to discuss and they just pontificate. I like a forum mostly full of people who are somewhere well between 0% and 100% certain.

I'm very far from the smartest guy in this room so I just try to be of some service to the discussion where I can and enjoy the rest. To me, this is a very interesting story from a lot of different angles no matter how it turns out and I just enjoy the diversity of discussion among the open minds that frequent these parts.

My vision is very primitive and skeptical as I don’t understand the nature of process.

So, I am glad if you enjoy the rest and discussion in multi-angle room.
As the most of people who trust. To trust vs. to know. And trust because developers of LERN from themselves do not know what process they promote.
And trusters look at LERN from practical side of view and think that can generate power.

Joseph Chikva · Post by **Joseph Chikva** » Thu Jun 16, 2011 8:50 pm

Giorgio wrote:I am back to Milano. No word from Krivit neither from my post on his blog, neither from the e-mail I sent to him (thanks to Bruce for sending me his e-mail!).
Friday I'll be all day here attending some other business, and I kept all the evening free to meet him if he replies to my request.

Two possible explanations:
• Or he is so busy that hasn't found time.
• Or he has nothing to tell you.
Which one is more pleasant for you?

Giorgio · Post by **Giorgio** » Thu Jun 16, 2011 9:25 pm

Joseph Chikva wrote:
Giorgio wrote:I am back to Milano. No word from Krivit neither from my post on his blog, neither from the e-mail I sent to him (thanks to Bruce for sending me his e-mail!).
Friday I'll be all day here attending some other business, and I kept all the evening free to meet him if he replies to my request.
Two possible explanations:
• Or he is so busy that hasn't found time.
• Or he has nothing to tell you.
Which one is more pleasant for you?

Or he simply is not checking his e-mail.
At the end is not important, if he cares to share I am available to meet him, otherwise maybe we will meet another time.

Joseph Chikva · Post by **Joseph Chikva** » Thu Jun 16, 2011 9:48 pm

Giorgio wrote:Or he simply is not checking his e-mail.

The man managing his own web-site not checking mails? May be but I doubt.

KitemanSA · Post by **KitemanSA** » Thu Jun 16, 2011 11:55 pm

chrismb wrote:
KitemanSA wrote:What Krivit seems to have been saying in the answer to question 2 above is that the LENR is probably not "fusion" per-se but a different nuclear reaction.
I guess he is talking about the hypothesis that a proton and electron can be catalysed into a neutron, and thereafter it is the WL theory. I guess if someone really wants to believe this, then in reality there is nothing yet that really says 'no possible way!'.

Personally, I don't think said "miracle" is necessary. The whole field of Bose-Einstein Condensates and Polaritons and polariton lasing and all this stuff is just now coming to the general knowledge base. These types of "standard physics" may be what is behind LENR, if they exist.

Then he wrote: I stand by my previous statement, though - if we were likely to see it, then I think odds on that it'd have popped up elsewhere by now in the enormous panoply of human endeavour.

Some would say that it has but has been supressed by the HE Physics community for decades!

Then he wrote: The issues with Rossitron are deeper than just not having a good theory, though. My issues with it are not theoretical, they are most surely practical!

Yup, and I will rely on the practical process of waiting for more data.
I do note that you have apparently decided to re-brand the E-Cat with a derogatory label when an unambiguous one existed. So much for your vaunted "impartiality"?

KitemanSA · Post by **KitemanSA** » Fri Jun 17, 2011 12:01 am

Joseph Chikva wrote:
Giorgio wrote:Or he simply is not checking his e-mail.
The man managing his own web-site not checking mails? May be but I doubt.

Folks get busy. I know of a fellow who manages a very complex web-site including a forum similar to this one who didn't answer an email from his forum moderator for over 3 months.

parallel · Post by **parallel** » Fri Jun 17, 2011 12:40 am

Krivit has now posted a "status report" on his report.
http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2011/06/ ... -and-levi/

It gives a few details and I was sorry to see that it looks like just one E-Cat again, rather than running the four in series. Also, a small water flow producing steam rather than a larger flow and keeping the temperature below 100C.

More to come this weekend with luck.

Maui · Post by **Maui** » Fri Jun 17, 2011 2:22 am

parallel wrote:Krivit has now posted a "status report" on his report.
http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2011/06/ ... -and-levi/

It gives a few details and I was sorry to see that it looks like just one E-Cat again, rather than running the four in series. Also, a small water flow producing steam rather than a larger flow and keeping the temperature below 100C.

More to come this weekend with luck.

Well, whatever his predispositions, he certainly seems to have viewed the demo with a more skeptical eye than previous observers. Still, what he's written so far doesn't leave the impression that he was able to come away with enough meaningful data to helpful.

Joseph Chikva · Post by **Joseph Chikva** » Fri Jun 17, 2011 2:41 am

KitemanSA wrote:
Joseph Chikva wrote:
Giorgio wrote:Or he simply is not checking his e-mail.
The man managing his own web-site not checking mails? May be but I doubt.
Folks get busy. I know of a fellow who manges a very complex web-site including a forum similar to this one who didn't answer an email from his forum moderator for over 3 months.

May be.
Poor Georgio if he went to another city for meeting.

Joseph Chikva · Post by **Joseph Chikva** » Fri Jun 17, 2011 2:51 am

parallel wrote:More to come this weekend with luck.

Bedroom, bathroom, building area 7,500, water droplets suspended in steam... Very easy to discover "anomalous" heat without ampere-meter.
Pipe out of drain.

Good luck.

PS: I see how trained engineer Mr. Rossi is if his guest has said the following:

The entire uncertainty about vaporization enthalpy would be moot if the experiments were run with a higher flow rate to keep the output temperature below boiling.

Levi apparently did this on Feb. 10-11 and he provided information about his final results to reporter Mats Lewan of Ny Teknik.

Levi has not however, provided Lewan, or anybody for that matter, any information about his data. On Wednesday, I asked Levi for this data, for the second time. This time, he agreed. Levi promised to send me either raw or formatted data from the Feb. 10-11 experiment by next Wednesday.

chrismb · Post by **chrismb** » Fri Jun 17, 2011 6:12 am

KitemanSA wrote:I do note that you have apparently decided to re-brand the E-Cat with a degogatory label when an unambiguous on existed. So much for your vaunted "impartiality"?

I don't really accept that critique for this reason: This whole 'scheme' is now much more than just a device. Does the device stand on its own, without any personalities pushing it? No! So my pejorative is an expression at my dissatisfaction at the E-cat not being allowed to 'present itself' with some hard data. Too much subjectivity. Hence my expression, which defines a cult movement, rather than a device. Does that explain my behavior adequately?

chrismb · Post by **chrismb** » Fri Jun 17, 2011 6:16 am

KitemanSA wrote:I do note that you have apparently decided to re-brand the E-Cat with a degogatory label

I just noticed your Freudian slip! I rather think degogatory was mean to mean derogatory, of course, but your sub-conscious was thinking demagoguery !!

Joseph Chikva · Post by **Joseph Chikva** » Fri Jun 17, 2011 6:36 am

chrismb wrote:So my pejorative is an expression at my dissatisfaction at the E-cat not being allowed to 'present itself' with some hard data.

Why?
I see some hard data. Not on LERN as such but on skill of involved people.
"Technically trained" Mr. Krivit has doubted in purity of experiment. "European trained engineer" together with two European professors began to assure him that steam is dry and not damp. In fact – nothing. Experiment failure.

Then technically trained Mr. Krivit visited one more European professor for consultation regarding steam’s humidity.

So, till now we have reasonable doubts does Rossi's device give the anomalous heat the nature of which should be explained.

I have also a question: Could those European trained people do more pure experiment? Or no?
I think that even first year student able to do that.

Giorgio · Post by **Giorgio** » Fri Jun 17, 2011 7:03 am

KitemanSA wrote:
Joseph Chikva wrote:
Giorgio wrote:Or he simply is not checking his e-mail.
The man managing his own web-site not checking mails? May be but I doubt.
Folks get busy. I know of a fellow who manges a very complex web-site including a forum similar to this one who didn't answer an email from his forum moderator for over 3 months.

He replied to me 6:30 this morning, and he also updated his blog.
He was going to board his plane from Milano International airport in 30 min, so no meeting with him this round.