10KW LENR Demonstrator?

[parallel]

Giorgio wrote:
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This is why I find strange that he also states that the e-cat is not suited for power generation.

parallel wrote:

I don't believe he ever said that. Reference?

Giorgio wrote:

Why should I even waste the time to look for them and give them to you?

So, don't you find strange now that he is not looking into power generation?

Giorgio wrote:

Prof. Campari and Prof. Villa are probably the one who will determine the experimental procedures to be used. From what I am reading they are both extremely good and experienced researchers.
I already found a common friend and I will ask him to check if they will be directly involved in the research or just supervising it.

parallel wrote:

Should I assume that their report will be worth nothing, like Rowan U.'s, because they are being paid to do the work?

Giorgio wrote:

With this post I think is now a proven fact that you do not understand English.
Try researching on the web for the meaning of "extremely good" and "experienced researchers".

So,
1. You wrote that Rossi SAID "The E-Cat was not suited for power generation." Which he never said.

2. You wondered why he was not looking into power generation, when he is.

3. You have failed to remember (or read?) the earlier discussion about blacklight power when Rowan's replication experiments were written off because they were paid to do the work.

And you think I have a reading problem?

Edited grammar

[rcain]

.. All the more offered here theory attempting to explain phenomenon does not seem reliable.

- i agree it makes it worse. but what else can we do.

[KitemanSA]

If it can produce significant heat at 550C then maybe it is a panacea!

So, don't you find strange now that he is not looking into power generation?

AFAIK, YOU are the one who says it can produce 550C, not me. My recollect is 5% efficiency. If that is the case, then no it is not funny. If 550C is the case, then yes, unless it is not yet reliable at that temp. WSS (we shall see)!

[Edit]Oops, parallel said it, not you. And from parallel's later quote, seems Rossi IS working on power generation but is not as far along with it. More difficult systems engineering and more expensive plant, so that doesn't really surprise me.

My question is why are folks so insistant that this is a scam? Wouldn't everyone's time be better used if we all investigated what might be going on here? It is easy to make statements of fraud and throw out objection after objection. It is more helpful to find references that support or dispute specific conjectures. Try being a help, please?[/Edit]

[KitemanSA]

KitemanSA wrote:

Ok, I missed something. I stand corrected?

Rossi stated the max pressure at 50 bars. Why the question mark?

Because I had only your word that this was so until your quote. Thank you for it by the way.

[rcain]

If it can produce significant heat at 550C then maybe it is a panacea!

So, don't you find strange now that he is not looking into power generation?

AFAIK, YOU are the one who says it can produce 550C, not me. My recollect is 5% efficiency. If that is the case, then no it is not funny. If 550C is the case, then yes, unless it is not yet reliable at that temp. WSS (we shall see)!

seems to me power generation would be a step too far too fast for Rossi's supposed investment and engineering plan. time to market is much more important. he also had problems with his early demo's melting, so perhaps he thinks a big steam turbine is just asking for trouble at this stage (maybe impractically inefficient).

just guessing.

[KitemanSA]

So, don't you find strange now that he is not looking into power generation?

AFAIK, YOU are the one who says it can produce 550C, not me. My recollect is 5% efficiency. If that is the case, then no it is not funny. If 550C is the case, then yes, unless it is not yet reliable at that temp. WSS (we shall see)!

seems to me power generation would be a step too far too fast for Rossi's supposed investment and engineering plan. time to market is much more important. he also had problems with his early demo's melting, so perhaps he thinks a big steam turbine is just asking for trouble at this stage (maybe impractically inefficient)..

The same point I made upon editing my prior post.

[parallel]

rcain,

What Rossi has stated several times, very patiently, on his blog, is that he is concentrating on the delivery of the 1 MW unit first and doesn'r have time to do the other things various people have suggested until that is out of the way. He hinted that power generation would come after that.

My guess is that he is bright and doesn't really need the suggestions. He seems to understand the business potential. Of course there are others on this blog that think they could do better. That's why they are here and he is doing things.

[Giorgio]

1. You wrote that Rossi SAID "The E-Cat was not suited for power generation." Which he never said.

Kiteman stated that, not me. I just told him that my info was different and that Rossi stated many times that the e-Cat was suitable fir power generation.
What you do not understand of this?

2. You wondered why he was not looking into power generation, when he is.

He is not, read his forum. The e-Cat will be only an hot water machine for now.
This is why I am wondering why is he not looking NOW into power generation even if he is stating that the e-Cat is perfectly feasible for the scope.

3. You have failed to remember (or read?) the earlier discussion about blacklight power when Rowan's replication experiments was written off because they were paid to do the work.

I remember quite well, where you fail to remember (or understand?) is that Prof. Jansson made the local public power company (when he was chairman of it) invest quite some money into BLP, and than after he went back to Rowan they gave him the responsibility to verify BLP claims?
So much for an objective research!

But of course these conflict of interests cannot bother the likes of you. Always ready to believe that the world is against any type of amazing technological discovery and not realizing instead that 99% of the times you are just suffering from the same wishful thinking pathology as your idol of the moment.

And you think I have a reading problem?

You do have huge reading and comprehension problems.
I really suggest you work on them, even if only for your own sake.

Edit, spell fix.

[Giorgio]

Oops, parallel said it, not you. And from parallel's later quote, seems Rossi IS working on power generation but is not as far along with it. More difficult systems engineering and more expensive plant, so that doesn't really surprise me.

And this is why I am wondering why he is not looking into Power now.
Generators from steam (or hot sources) are ready available equipment.
No need to make any type of particular research.

My question is why are folks so insistant that this is a scam?

Why are you insisting that I am thinking this to be a scam?
Either we blindly believe that Rossi is right and he has something or is a scam? If you think in this way than it is very short sighted from you Kiteman.

[rcain]

rcain,

What Rossi has stated several times, very patiently, on his blog, is that he is concentrating on the delivery of the 1 MW unit first and doesn'r have time to do the other things various people have suggested until that is out of the way. He hinted that power generation would come after that.

My guess is that he is bright and doesn't really need the suggestions. He seems to understand the business potential. Of course there are others on this blog that think they could do better. That's why they are here and he is doing things.

though also - eg: wiki - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combined_cycle -

combined cycle turbine - these ( nickel or cobalt) alloys limit practical steam temperatures to 655 °C - (the firing temperature), is relatively high (900 to 1,400 °C - Nickel - melting point: 1728 K, 1455 °C, 2651 °F

- so i also suspect existing plant are simply not designed for use of Nickel in the firing stage. one can imagine a molten core being pretty terminal. (hence not 'so' suitable - prefers a lower temperature range for reaction).

i'm sure all this has already been discussed.

[parallel]

1. You wrote that Rossi SAID "The E-Cat was not suited for power generation." Which he never said.

Kiteman stated that, not me. I just told him that my info was different and that Rossi stated many times that the e-Cat was suitable fir power generation.
What you do not understand of this?

2. You wondered why he was not looking into power generation, when he is.

He is not, read his forum. The e-Cat will be only an hot water machine for now.
This is why I am wondering why is he not looking NOW into power generation even if he is stating that the e-Cat is perfectly feasible for the scope.

3. You have failed to remember (or read?) the earlier discussion about blacklight power when Rowan's replication experiments was written off because they were paid to do the work.

I remember quite well, where you fail to remember (or understand?) is that when Prof. Jansson made the local public power company (when he was chairman of it) invest quite some money into BLP, and than after he went back to Rowan they gave him the responsibility to verify BLP claims?
So much for an objective research!

But of course these conflict of interests cannot bother the likes of you. Always ready to believe that the world is against any type of amazing technological discovery and not realizing instead that 99% of the times you are just suffering from the same wishful thinking pathology as your idol of the moment.

And you think I have a reading problem?

You do have huge reading and comprehension problems.
I really suggest you work on them, even if only for your own sake.

Your song and dance routine was amusing at first but I'm tired of it.
1. How can YOU write something and attribute it to somebody else? Look at the QUOTE.
2. Read what I quoted Rossi as saying above. "But we are very advanced in the application of an electric power generator. Very advanced. We are close to the solution." Compare that with what you wrote.
3. The main argument against Rowan's replication of blacklight power was that they had been paid to do it. It wasn't just Dr. Peter Jansson. I didn't pass judgement in what I wrote. I merely asked if being paid for the work by Rossi would negate Bologna's reports. I find it very reasonable that a University should be paid, otherwise they probably wouldn't do the work.

You need help in comprehension.

[seedload]

Wouldn't everyone's time be better used if we all investigated what might be going on here? It is easy to make statements of fraud and throw out objection after objection. It is more helpful to find references that support or dispute specific conjectures. Try being a help, please?

If it is a fraud then, no, it is not better to spend our time trying to figure out what is going on here. That would be the definition of a waste of time.

[Giorgio]

Your song and dance routine was amusing at first but I'm tired of it.

Funny, every time you feel you are in a corner you use this phrase and stop replying to objective facts.
Guess this is your escape routine uh?

1. How can YOU write something and attribute it to somebody else? Look at the QUOTE.

Yes, do it, do look at the QUOTE:

Even Rossi says his process is not very good for electrical generation.

Do you understand that it was in reply to Kiteman statement or is it still too difficult to grasp the concept?
Let me try in another way, like we do with the kids:

Kiteman: Even Rossi says his process is not very good for electrical generation.
Giorgio: No, Rossi stated the contrary. This is why I find strange that he also states that the e-cat is not suited for power generation.

A six years old could understand this, can you?

2. Read what I quoted Rossi as saying above. "But we are very advanced in the application of an electric power generator. Very advanced. We are close to the solution." Compare that with what you wrote.

So what? I wrote that I find strange that he is not looking into power generation as a first solution and in fact the 1MW plant will be only thermal.
Where does my statement goes against Rossi statement?

3. The main argument against Rowan's replication of blacklight power was that they had been paid to do it. It wasn't just Dr. Peter Jansson.

Ah I see, so now YOU decide what my arguments are.
Interesting.

[KitemanSA]

Oops, parallel said it, not you. And from parallel's later quote, seems Rossi IS working on power generation but is not as far along with it. More difficult systems engineering and more expensive plant, so that doesn't really surprise me.

And this is why I am wondering why he is not looking into Power now.
Generators from steam (or hot sources) are ready available equipment.
No need to make any type of particular research.

First, he is a start up and probably doesn't have $ for a parallel path, PLUS it may be that reliable e-cats at that temperature may not be quite so simple. WSS!

My question is why are folks so insistant that this is a scam?

Why are you insisting that I am thinking this to be a scam?

I think it is the general tenor of your comment pattern, though you show NOWHERE near the viriulance of some others, pro AND con. You tend to ask questions rather than make statements, but sometimes I get to thinking such questions are all just a rhetorical ploy.

Either we blindly believe that Rossi is right and he has something or is a scam? If you think in this way than it is very short sighted from you Kiteman.

I see another option. I think it worth my time to suppose he may be right and see where that leads me, knowing all the time it MIGHT be a scam or indeed he may just be insane. I can't quite believe this is a mistake. Other LENR results, maybe. But this is too big an effect, if true. My opinion on this whole topic in no specific order:
Its a scam
He is insane
It is real.

[KitemanSA]

Wouldn't everyone's time be better used if we all investigated what might be going on here? It is easy to make statements of fraud and throw out objection after objection. It is more helpful to find references that support or dispute specific conjectures. Try being a help, please?

If it is a fraud then, no, it is not better to spend our time trying to figure out what is going on here. That would be the definition of a waste of time.

Unless it is NOT a fraud. And even if it turns out to be in this case, better education should never be a waste of time. I have learned a lot following this process. Join me?
Your option, I guess, is to insist there is nothing to learn and stay ignorant!