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Jccarlton
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What Our Ruling Class Doesn't Understand

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It seems that the power that be have realized that we have a real problem:
http://www.usnews.com/opinion/articles/ ... 378307#%21
Mike Rowe has been talking about this for years. But the problem is that the climate for just making stuff has become ugly. Everywhere I look, creativity is disparaged, constrained and regulated. Businesses are taxed to the breaking point and regulated into submission. And our education system is literally worse than useless when it comes to making boys anything other than whusses indoctrinated to serve our overstate. It's not amazing that we have forgotten how to make stuff. It's amazing that in spite of all the hurdles, people still try.

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The recipe, from a government perspective, for a prosperous nation is simple: liberty, property rights, sound contract law. The antithesis of the current occupying regime.
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Jccarlton wrote:It seems that the power that be have realized that we have a real problem:
http://www.usnews.com/opinion/articles/ ... 378307#%21
Mike Rowe has been talking about this for years. But the problem is that the climate for just making stuff has become ugly. Everywhere I look, creativity is disparaged, constrained and regulated. Businesses are taxed to the breaking point and regulated into submission. And our education system is literally worse than useless when it comes to making boys anything other than whusses indoctrinated to serve our overstate. It's not amazing that we have forgotten how to make stuff. It's amazing that in spite of all the hurdles, people still try.
They took all the money and stopped the economy. You think they care about this stuff? Really? I don't. I don't think they care about this at all. This is all nutjob results, undermining education to save themselves tax money and so they can lie about jebus to their kids. Church doesn't teach people how to make things; it teaches them to obey. Rich people like that because then no one votes to tax them.

But remember that all of that is just a byproduct to what they really want: all the power. And they see how to end-around the Constitution and get it. And they've done it. And now we have to take it back. And you and the rest of the churchies and Libertardians are IN THE WAY.

And the mere existence of "turn the other cheek" proves you're wrong. That's what they teach in church.

After all, they've been using the church to make the people obedient for thousands of years. I hope you don't think this is new. And the church always goes along. Remember the accommodation between the fascists and the Nazis with the Catholic Church. It was nothing new and only to be expected.
We need a directorate of science, and we need it to be voted on only by scientists. You don't get to vote on reality. Get over it. Elected officials that deny the findings of the Science Directorate are subject to immediate impeachment for incompetence.

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hanelyp wrote:The recipe, from a government perspective, for a prosperous nation is simple: liberty, property rights, sound contract law. The antithesis of the current occupying regime.


I believe there was a book written about it years ago. "Wealth of Nations" or some such.


The author's name escapes me though.
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Diogenes wrote:
hanelyp wrote:The recipe, from a government perspective, for a prosperous nation is simple: liberty, property rights, sound contract law. The antithesis of the current occupying regime.


I believe there was a book written about it years ago. "Wealth of Nations" or some such.


The author's name escapes me though.
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I'm sorry, I'd rather have a government official who I can vote out and who doesn't get money from me tell me what to do with my healthcare than a greedy insurance company functionary who can laugh at me and hang up.

Actually I'd rather neither of them but the Republican-Amurcn teatraitors always insist they can invade your body if they give you money because they hate poors and olds. "Let him die."
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Lost soul crying for help in the thread.
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Diogenes wrote:Lost soul crying for help in the thread.
Is there? I haven't heard any pathetic cries. Nor any monkey screams and poo throwing. Just reasoned conversation.

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Jccarlton wrote:
Diogenes wrote:Lost soul crying for help in the thread.
Is there? I haven't heard any pathetic cries. Nor any monkey screams and poo throwing. Just reasoned conversation.

Alas, I fear the age of reason has expired. Aldous Huxley's was the more accurate prediction.
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Jccarlton wrote:It seems that the power that be have realized that we have a real problem:
http://www.usnews.com/opinion/articles/ ... 378307#%21
Mike Rowe has been talking about this for years. But the problem is that the climate for just making stuff has become ugly. Everywhere I look, creativity is disparaged, constrained and regulated. Businesses are taxed to the breaking point and regulated into submission. And our education system is literally worse than useless when it comes to making boys anything other than whusses indoctrinated to serve our overstate. It's not amazing that we have forgotten how to make stuff. It's amazing that in spite of all the hurdles, people still try.
Oddly enough, the linked article mentions just two problems – "a skills gap and a perception gap". And that manufacturers are working on these issues with promising results, seeing "bright opportunities".

The one thing this article fails to mention is automation. I don't think all manufacturing jobs will go away but some will and the mix of skills demanded by manufacturers in two decades will probably be hugely different from what it is now.

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Teahive wrote:Oddly enough, the linked article mentions just two problems – "a skills gap and a perception gap".
The skills gap is because the greedy rich and the stupids don't want to pay taxes for schools.
Teahive wrote:And that manufacturers are working on these issues with promising results, seeing "bright opportunities".
Considering the source, I'm thinking regimented schools with corporal punishment and lessons on marching in formation. Private schools. Paid for by the churches.
Teahive wrote:The one thing this article fails to mention is automation. I don't think all manufacturing jobs will go away but some will and the mix of skills demanded by manufacturers in two decades will probably be hugely different from what it is now.
It already would be, but they can't get the people to run them if they get too complicated because they forgot to pay for schools and their workforce was never trained to think.
We need a directorate of science, and we need it to be voted on only by scientists. You don't get to vote on reality. Get over it. Elected officials that deny the findings of the Science Directorate are subject to immediate impeachment for incompetence.

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