Are the Uniforms getting Darker?

[MSimon]

Republicans are far from being fascists.

Democrats are not. Both in tactics and intent, they are the closest thing to Fascists I have ever seen in power in America. Especially this criminal from Chicago. They are even borrowing some of the Fascist propaganda from history.

Democrats are not fascists either.

I am not sure how you justify calling Democrats fascists by referencing and article that calls them socialists.

OK. National Socialists. That make you happy?

[MSimon]

Given that in about 2 weeks, my provincial government is most likely going to be formed by a fascist party, I sympathize with you folks.

With the police stopping people in Arizona on the chance they might not be citizens, and the above TSA article; i think we are headed down the same road if Romney wins.

Not enough people are learning their history properly, so they are apparently going to repeat it.

If Romney wins?

The sensationalized article referenced is about things that are happening with Obama as President. The street stops so awkwardly referenced in the article are being carried out by Philly cops on the orders of a Democratic Mayor, not by the TSA or any other federal institution, and not related to Homeland Security.

I agree that the Patriot Act is a bad thing and that it should go, but saying that anything that has happened is an indication that we are heading towards fascism, somehow enhanced by Romney winning, is a bit over the top.

Republicans are far from being fascists.

Because no Republican would ever support this sort of thing:



http://spatialorientation.com/2012/06/1 ... al-issues/

[palladin9479]

Fascism is just another term for a central government to acquire more power and further suppress the peoples ability to change that same central government. In that regard both Democrats and Republicans are fascists, both parties seem to enhance their own power by whatever means necessary. The only difference between them is they pull from different financial power bases and thus appease different groups of people. Joining one or the other is just choosing which group you would rather have oppress you, the theocrats or the communists.

That is why I've declared myself neutral, by siding with neither I deny both the ability to use me as a source of power. If others would do the same it would ensure neither party could grow strong enough to assert themselves as a new order. The other option is to rapidly switch sides to ensure the status quot is maintained, though bad things would still get through occasionally.

[MSimon]

Fascism is just another term for a central government to acquire more power and further suppress the peoples ability to change that same central government. In that regard both Democrats and Republicans are fascists, both parties seem to enhance their own power by whatever means necessary. The only difference between them is they pull from different financial power bases and thus appease different groups of people. Joining one or the other is just choosing which group you would rather have oppress you, the theocrats or the communists.

That is why I've declared myself neutral, by siding with neither I deny both the ability to use me as a source of power. If others would do the same it would ensure neither party could grow strong enough to assert themselves as a new order. The other option is to rapidly switch sides to ensure the status quot is maintained, though bad things would still get through occasionally.

Yes.

[Stubby]

http://www.tomsguide.com/us/IRS-ACLU-Fr ... 16929.html

[MSimon]

http://www.tomsguide.com/us/IRS-ACLU-Fr ... 16929.html

:evil:

I'm going to reprise part of a list I posted on another thread:

http://classicalvalues.com/2013/04/what ... ted-power/

http://classicalvalues.com/2013/01/we-d ... -warrants/

http://classicalvalues.com/2013/02/the-new-fourth/

http://classicalvalues.com/2012/06/dont ... rotect-us/

And if you read nothing else read this one about the transformation of the Fourth Amendment:
http://www.classicalvalues.com/archives ... re_in.html

Let me add that te Fourth was shredded in order to get at the dopers. First they came for.....

[MSimon]

http://www.tomsguide.com/us/IRS-ACLU-Fr ... 16929.html

:evil:

"The IRS hasn’t told the public whether it is following Warshak everywhere in the country, or only within the Sixth Circuit," he said. "The documents the ACLU obtained make clear that, before Warshak, it was the policy of the IRS to read people’s email without getting a warrant. Not only that, but the IRS believed that the Fourth Amendment did not apply to email at all."

[hanelyp]

Under the US Constitution, the government requires a warrant, signed by a judge and backed by probable cause, if it is to tap your phone or read your postal mail. By what perverse theory does the IRS believe email is different in this?

[MSimon]

Under the US Constitution, the government requires a warrant, signed by a judge and backed by probable cause, if it is to tap your phone or read your postal mail. By what perverse theory does the IRS believe email is different in this?

Well actually they don't need a warrant. Didn't you read the links. An probable cause? Not in effect.

You see Prohibition is near impossible to enforce if you need all that outdated stuff.

Ever hear of "stop and frisk" ?

[Diogenes]

Under the US Constitution, the government requires a warrant, signed by a judge and backed by probable cause, if it is to tap your phone or read your postal mail. By what perverse theory does the IRS believe email is different in this?

Well actually they don't need a warrant. Didn't you read the links. An probable cause? Not in effect.

You see Prohibition is near impossible to enforce if you need all that outdated stuff.

Ever hear of "stop and frisk" ?

And regarding these abuses, I agree with you. Asset confiscation with no "due process" is bullsh*t. We ought not tolerate it.

[Stubby]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8r4MK3R4PI

[MSimon]

Under the US Constitution, the government requires a warrant, signed by a judge and backed by probable cause, if it is to tap your phone or read your postal mail. By what perverse theory does the IRS believe email is different in this?

Well actually they don't need a warrant. Didn't you read the links. An probable cause? Not in effect.

You see Prohibition is near impossible to enforce if you need all that outdated stuff.

Ever hear of "stop and frisk" ?

And regarding these abuses, I agree with you. Asset confiscation with no "due process" is bullsh*t. We ought not tolerate it.

But the abuses are intrinsic to the program.

Prohibition is near impossible to enforce if you need all that outdated stuff.

The Bill of Rights was DESIGNED to make prohibitions near impossible to enforce.

So you have to decide - Constitution or Prohibition. You can't have both.

[Diogenes]

Florida Sheriff: Report Neighbors Who Don't Like Government

Because they won't be knocking on my door to make sure I'm 'OK.' They will be knocking on my door to look for signs of subversion. They will be looking for indications of dissent, for signs of rebellion, and for excuses to disarm me.

http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/215871.php

[hanelyp]

Newspaper editor wants NRA members sent to Guantanamo
http://www.aurorasentinel.com/opinion/p ... t-the-nra/

With rhetoric like this one the rise, conservatives are showing remarkable restraint in dealing with the loony lefties. At some point one of the nuts will cross the line get shot for their provocation, and it will be reasonable sell defense.

[Stubby]

They can't control everything