Polywell and Ionocraft

[EmField57]

Any progress on this Prof Science? I think the subject is rather interesting and I'm working on some different concepts regarding increasing the efficiency of the lifter such as using solid dielectrics instead of air.

[Tyler Jordan]

I've been reading on the Biefeld-Brown effect and how it was supposedly debunked as a gravitational effect and now appears to be considered an ion-wind effect by the mainstream ... but ...doesn't Brown's very first experiment with a Coolidge tube (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrogravitics#Origins) prove that it's not ion wind? The tube is an enclosed vacuum tube and the tube itself is being weighed on a scale. If there is an ion wind of some sort - even under vacuum - it's irrelevant - as that wind is inside the tube and it is the tube as a whole being weighed! So how do the nay-sayers explain that as ion-wind?

I've not found where this original experiment has been debunked.

[hanelyp]

Tyler Jordan, a few sanity checks about your electro-gravity hypothesis:
- does the effect give a 1/r^2 distance scaling?
- does the effect produce force proportionate to mass, independent of what the mass is made of?
- Are there any tests that might support your hypothesis over accepted gravity theory?
- for the above tests, is there a reason it hasn't been noted before?

[Tyler Jordan]

It's not my hypothesis ... it's the Biefeld-Brown effect. It came along well before me - so please don't call it my hypothesis. The electro-gravitics theory was supposedly debunked .. but I can't find where the original experiment was debunked - so it's very curious. Appararently they use a nearly identical technology on the B2 stealth bomber for 'stealth' purposes, not for propulsion ... but who knows. I posted here as I saw another on this thread had mentioned the effect and am looking for some way to debunk the electro-gravitics theory, specifically in regard to the original experiment with a Coolidge vacuum tube on a scale -- as opposed to the accepted ion-wind theory.

It seems if the tube becomes lighter, then it is a gravitational effect is it not? The tube is made of glass - a good insulator, so not possible for an ion wind outside the tube.

[Tyler Jordan]

I don't know - maybe the whole first experiment was B.S. I guess unless someone does that test or similar again, then no way to know for sure. Brown did do subsequent tests in a vacuum, but I suspect the scale was inside the vacuum chamber. BTW, it did still work in the vacuum chamber, but the ion-wind theory people insisted it wasn't a good enough vacuum and that there were still plenty of ion inside to give it lift.

Anyway, if anyone knows anything, I'm curious to hear it.

[MSimon]

Not only would the tube need to be physically isolated. It would also need to be electrically shielded. To avoid electrostatic attraction.