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GIThruster wrote:https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=59 ... =2&theater

I think I posted that video here years ago. Yes, that's very good.




Since we're starting the drug debate back up again, I guess i'll post this thing I found today.


Commenter Joseph K wrote:

“Drugs certainly play a role in the degeneracy of the lower classes, but they are not a cause.”

Absolutely correct. Drugs take hold in the lower classes because the soil is ripe. But there is a flip side to the story.

Contrary to what the IQists assert, most people are not born with a strong propensity for self-discipline and self-regulation, no matter what their IQ. That is a Rousseauist fantasy. Dumb people can be very disciplined, and smart people can be out of control. Discipline must be learned, in fact implanted, and therefore must be part of the culture. The mainstreaming of drug use, to the point where a majority of middle-class kids start using drugs at an early age with little adverse consequence, has meant the ghettoization of the middle-class. The old bourgeois culture that made Republicanism and capitalism possible is nearly dead, and the mainstreaming of drug use has been a major factor.

I would be all for drug legalization if the entire welfare state was dismantled beforehand. In the old days, when drugs were legal, only the very poor or the very rich could be incessant drug users, because the one could afford it, and the other would die without consequence. A middle class or working class person who did drugs would end up in the bowels of society, with no support or succor. Punishment was swift and ruthless. You ended up dead, or the living dead, which was worse. The elites made drugs illegal when they amped up the welfare state for a reason. They were smarter then.

The war on drugs has not been a failure, because it has never been fought. Where it has been fought it works. What we have in the West is a game that produces revenue and justification for the therapeutic managerial state, and an excuse to put problematic members of the lower orders in jail. The war on drugs is working just fine in Asian countries, which is why they are now stomping the West. Kids in Singapore don’t smoke pot at 14. Low level drug dealers are executed in China and their organs are harvested. The Asians learned from the Opium Wars. They made it extremely punitive for their citizens to do drugs, while taking over the supply side. They are very happy to supply the West with the means to its own destruction. I’ll bet the Chinese Politburo is eagerly awaiting the day drugs are completely legalized in the U.S. and Europe.



Well Said Joseph K.



Comment #5 at this link.

http://thezman.com/wordpress/?p=2723

I don't buy the notion that drug abuse hurts primarily the lower class. I think the stats are very misleading here.

Just recently I had the second time, that a woman I used to date and stay in touch with, had her child go off to school and in the first week of the Sophomore year, died from Ecstasy. First time around it was a friend's son. 19 years old at MIT. Just a couple weeks ago it was a daughter. Just 19 again. Both healthy. And I knew a woman locally who died just after she was married at age 25. All killed by Ecstasy and cannabis was blamed as the gateway drug in all three cases.

You cannot be thinking straight to believe this is anything but a great evil in our society and there is no reason we should pander to it. If anyone here thinks we should, I suggest you go comfort someone who has just lost a child and see what the real cost of your playtime is. You obviously haven't found it in the stats.

First off - spiders shouldn't do drugs.

Second off - the idea of government punishment for habits people don't like is catching on - http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/09/24/a ... be-jailed/

Third off - Prohibition as a popular ideology re: drugs is dying off.

Forth off - cannabis cures cancer. And a whole range of other things.

Fifth off - Prohibition has never ever been a cure for people's wants. People will be supplied. By legitimate sellers or black markets. The Soviet Union was rife with black markets. And yet - the so-called anti-left loves black markets. Having learned nothing from alcohol prohibition...

There is a future for economic conservatism. For social conservatism not so much.

MSimon wrote:First off - spiders shouldn't do drugs.

Neither should people.

MSimon wrote:
Third off - Prohibition as a popular ideology re: drugs is dying off.

Along with sanity in general.

MSimon wrote:
There is a future for economic conservatism. For social conservatism not so much.

It's amusing that you think that. We're only sitting on 120 trillion worth of unpayable debt. Yeah, the future is going to be just rosy.

Kevin Ward Jr. under influence of marijuana when killed by Tony Stewart car, DA says

There is toxicology evidence in the case relating to Kevin Ward that actually indicated that at time of operation he was under the influence of marijuana,” District Attorney Michael Tantillo said during a news conference Wednesday afternoon.

http://www.sportingnews.com/nascar/stor ... ogy-report

120 trillion worth of unpayable debt

easy solution, destroy the value of the dollar... in progress...

Well you got to be on something impairing your judgment to run into 90 mile an hour traffic and not think your going to get hurt.

mvanwink5 wrote:

120 trillion worth of unpayable debt

easy solution, destroy the value of the dollar... in progress...

And/or simply not pay it...its not like a soverign national government can be made to pay if it doesn't want to. Most of the unfunded mandate is anticipated future elderly health care/retirement benefits...not like old people will riot in the streets if they don't get their promised health care benefit.

Diogenes wrote:Kevin Ward Jr. under influence of marijuana when killed by Tony Stewart car, DA says
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There is toxicology evidence in the case relating to Kevin Ward that actually indicated that at time of operation he was under the influence of marijuana,” District Attorney Michael Tantillo said during a news conference Wednesday afternoon.

http://www.sportingnews.com/nascar/stor ... ogy-report

And of course that evidence supports continuing The War On Undesirables. Round them up and jail them. Lucky Ward was not on alcohol, eh? Or we would have to round then up and jail them.

williatw wrote:

mvanwink5 wrote:

120 trillion worth of unpayable debt

easy solution, destroy the value of the dollar... in progress...

And/or simply not pay it...its not like a soverign national government can be made to pay if it doesn't want to. Most of the unfunded mandate is anticipated future elderly health care/retirement benefits...not like old people will riot in the streets if they don't get their promised health care benefit.

This is exactly what I think. I used to think the Democrats were just stupid, and didn't understand the consequences of their policies. I eventually concluded that "stupid" was an insufficient explanation.


I think some of them have always been aware that that money would eventually be traded for blood.

I'm convinced that for at least a few top level democrats a few (dozen | hundred | thousand | million) dead is an acceptable price for them having power. Especially if the dead are political opposition, but dead nobodies don't offend their sensibilities unless it can be spun to slander the opposition.

hanelyp wrote:I'm convinced that for at least a few top level democrats a few (dozen | hundred | thousand | million) dead is an acceptable price for them having power. Especially if the dead are political opposition, but dead nobodies don't offend their sensibilities unless it can be spun to slander the opposition.

In the case of elderly people being denied health care benefits or probably more likely being put on endless "waiting lists" is that many of them would die awaiting treatment. That is their number would come up before their number came up so to speak. This would be a rather quiet "holocaust" if that is the word; after all they only had a few years of life expectancy left anyway even if they got the best treatment (barring some geriatric breakthrough like SENS). The poorer older folks would simply be dying a few years sooner than they would have anyway; it probably just wouldn't attract that much notice. And unlike cutting off welfare/food stamps the old unlike the young wouldn't rise up and burn the cities to the ground in protest; they would just quietly die off for the most part.

hanelyp wrote:I'm convinced that for at least a few top level democrats a few (dozen | hundred | thousand | million) dead is an acceptable price for them having power. Especially if the dead are political opposition, but dead nobodies don't offend their sensibilities unless it can be spun to slander the opposition.

Republicans are not just allowing for deaths they are electioneering on them. Cannabis cures cancer. And Republicans running for office (see Florida) are opposed to even medical use.

On top of that, in political circles it is well known that a thriving medical cannabis industry with cannabis prices in the range of hot house tomatoes would devastate the medical industry. Anti-depressant sales (among others) would plummet. All those campaign "donations" gone.

And the people most opposed to medical? The same people supposedly the most opposed to corruption. It is to laugh.

The savings from a fully developed medical cannabis industry would be from 25% to 75% of current medical costs. In numbers that is between half a trillion and a trillion and a half. Every year. Not exactly chump change. And then there are all the kids and other people dying of cancer who don't need to.

When all this becomes common knowledge it will devastate Republicans politically for a generation. And especially "conservatives" - who are really radical socialists in disguise. "We want smaller government except for..."

Msimon, I'm getting the impression that, like a good radical leftist, you want society to collapse so the survivors can rebuild your new utopia in the resulting power vacuum. Because collapse is what ending restrictions on drugs will do, very quickly if the welfare system and other leftist instruments aren't dismantled first.