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Google little box challenge

Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2014 9:42 pm
by hanelyp
https://www.littleboxchallenge.com/
What the inverter needs to do

The winning inverter will be the one that achieves the highest power density and meeting a list of other specifications, as determined by a panel of judges, while undergoing testing for 100 hours.

In brief, the other specifications are :

Must be able to handle up to 2 kVA loads
Must achieve a power density of equal to or greater than 50 W/in3
Must be able to handle loads with power factors from 0.7–1, leading and lagging in an islanded mode
Must be in a rectangular metal enclosure of no more than 40 in3
Will be taking in 450 V DC power in series with a 10 Ω resistor
Must output 240 V, 60 Hz AC single phase power
Must have a total harmonic distortion + noise on both voltage and current of < 5%
Must have an input ripple current of < 20%
Must have an input ripple voltage of < 3%
Must have a DC-AC efficiency of greater than 95%
Must maintain a temperature of no more than 60°C during operation everywhere on the outside of the device that can be touched.
Must conform to Electromagnetic Compliance standards as set out in FCC Part 15 B
Can not use any external source of cooling (e.g. water) other than air
Does not require galvanic isolation
Interesting challenge. Probably beyond my skills to design myself. The input ripple requirements look like they may be the hard part to meet within the specified volume.

Re: Google little box challenge

Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2014 3:12 am
by MSimon
hanelyp wrote:https://www.littleboxchallenge.com/
What the inverter needs to do

The winning inverter will be the one that achieves the highest power density and meeting a list of other specifications, as determined by a panel of judges, while undergoing testing for 100 hours.

In brief, the other specifications are :

Must be able to handle up to 2 kVA loads
Must achieve a power density of equal to or greater than 50 W/in3
Must be able to handle loads with power factors from 0.7–1, leading and lagging in an islanded mode
Must be in a rectangular metal enclosure of no more than 40 in3
Will be taking in 450 V DC power in series with a 10 Ω resistor
Must output 240 V, 60 Hz AC single phase power
Must have a total harmonic distortion + noise on both voltage and current of < 5%
Must have an input ripple current of < 20%
Must have an input ripple voltage of < 3%
Must have a DC-AC efficiency of greater than 95%
Must maintain a temperature of no more than 60°C during operation everywhere on the outside of the device that can be touched.
Must conform to Electromagnetic Compliance standards as set out in FCC Part 15 B
Can not use any external source of cooling (e.g. water) other than air
Does not require galvanic isolation
Interesting challenge. Probably beyond my skills to design myself. The input ripple requirements look like they may be the hard part to meet within the specified volume.
A Cuk AC converter could do it and be bidirectional i.e. AC in DC out or DC in AC out. BTW that 10 ohm input resistance will cost you about 200 W. But otherwise the specs (except volume) are doable without much difficulty.

Re: Google little box challenge

Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2014 1:10 pm
by ladajo
I disagree, the harmonic output limitations will likely impede the ability to stay within the stated device volume requirements and still meet power throughput and heat loading.

Re: Google little box challenge

Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2014 1:56 pm
by MSimon
ladajo wrote:I disagree, the harmonic output limitations will likely impede the ability to stay within the stated device volume requirements and still meet power throughput and heat loading.
Well I did note the volume problem. However, if the switching frequency is high enough the harmonic reqmts. should not be too difficult to meet. The biggest volume problem is the energy transfer capacitor if you go the Cuk route.

Re: Google little box challenge

Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2014 4:56 pm
by hanelyp
Everything else doesn't look too bad if you ignore the input ripple, just draw power as needed and a low pass filter with a cutoff in the kHz range on output. With the input ripple constraints you need to store a fair amount of energy between peak and trough of the cycle.

Re: Google little box challenge

Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2014 8:14 pm
by ladajo
However, if the switching frequency is high enough the harmonic reqmts. should not be too difficult to meet.
Nope, disagree again. It will make it worse. Three phase invertors cause a huge amount of harmonic distortion and noise in the output, even using really sexy IGBTs or something better.
The output dampening is going to be a headache to be able to take the heat and fit in the can.

Re: Google little box challenge

Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2014 9:59 pm
by MSimon
hanelyp wrote:Everything else doesn't look too bad if you ignore the input ripple, just draw power as needed and a low pass filter with a cutoff in the kHz range on output. With the input ripple constraints you need to store a fair amount of energy between peak and trough of the cycle.
Cuk converters can be designed for zero input and output ripple.

Re: Google little box challenge

Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2014 10:04 pm
by MSimon
ladajo wrote:
However, if the switching frequency is high enough the harmonic reqmts. should not be too difficult to meet.
Nope, disagree again. It will make it worse. Three phase invertors cause a huge amount of harmonic distortion and noise in the output, even using really sexy IGBTs or something better.
The output dampening is going to be a headache to be able to take the heat and fit in the can.
I take it you are not familiar with the Cuk converter. It has inductors on the input and output. If they are coupled inductors in a DC to DC converter the ripple can be made to be zero. AC does complicate that but the output inductor should help considerably. At worst you don't get current pulses. You get ramps.

Since there is no cost target I'd use SiC MOSFETs for voltage and current capabilities, speed, and very high temp operation reducing heat sink rqmts. I'd stay away from IGBTs due to the minority carrier current tail.

Re: Google little box challenge

Posted: Fri Aug 15, 2014 12:41 pm
by ladajo
AC does complicate that but the output inductor should help considerably.
I take it you are not that familiar with variable frequency invertors.
I do agree on looking for something cleaner than IGBTs. But as you said, it will cost.

Re: Google little box challenge

Posted: Fri Aug 15, 2014 6:02 pm
by MSimon
ladajo wrote:
AC does complicate that but the output inductor should help considerably.
I take it you are not that familiar with variable frequency invertors.
I do agree on looking for something cleaner than IGBTs. But as you said, it will cost.
I'm going from memory of the books Cuk put out (I think they were $150 for the set of 3) about 35 years ago. Since the memory is a tad hazy I didn't want to over promise. If I was actually going to do the project I'd do the proper research.

I have designed a DC-DC SEPIC with uncoupled inductors which is similar as to the capacitor energy transfer, but has a different topology on the output because it is non-inverting.

For AC Cuk used two converters in push-pull. And back then it was BJT stuff. I had assumed this project was single phase (but I just glanced at the spec). The 10 ohms on the input seems a real waster for the level of power indicated. .

Re: Google little box challenge

Posted: Fri Aug 15, 2014 11:46 pm
by hanelyp
The resistor in line with the DC source may be to protect the source from a malfunctioning inverter, or to simulate a source that naturally dips voltage under load like a battery.

Re: Google little box challenge

Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2014 11:46 am
by ladajo
I suspect it is the later.
What is interesting is they do not give much insight at all for application. Just the specs.

Re: Google little box challenge

Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2014 6:17 pm
by kunkmiester
I'd suspect they're looking for something for solar or wind applications. Not sure how the size requirements fit though.

Re: Google little box challenge

Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2014 3:45 am
by Betruger
Maybe a stupid question - but don't they say that it's an advantage in wilderness applications?