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Imagine how many lives will be lost now that emergency level funding has been channeled away from medical research into climate “science” when a hospital visit becomes a massive risk due to bacterial resistance to idiotically overused antibiotics. We are at least a couple of centuries away from being able to quickly defeat infections, and are now an extra century away more due to this continued theft of research and development money into green banking schemes and boondoggles. That real concern for health is not actually on the mind of environmental activists and their academic and institutional enablers is revealed in their lack of basic Economics 101 concern for real hard science R&D, as they promote artificial energy rationing. Left wing politicians have become genocidal maniacs in sheep’s clothing. And the medical and biological sciences have themselves failed to defend themselves from this psychotic theft, to the ruin of all of us in the near future.

We hardly even know what subconscious forces are at work in the climate delusion since sociologists and psychologists refuse to face the facts of a revealed scam and instead turn Stalinist and pathologize everyday skepticism.

The left is destroying itself here and trying to take down Western civilization with it, but since delusions lift and actual temperature isn’t cooperating either, they merely destroy themselves. One thing is clear: the bulk of climate alarmists outside of the devious hockey stick team of sociopaths have their blinders on completely, and cannot be swayed by facts whatsoever unless strongly confronted and called out as enablers of f-r-a-u-d. Even that won’t phase fanatics like Nick Stokes above who claim Marcott has a valid result to offer when the proxies all fail to act as thermometers in the modern era, making a mockery of his deadpan claim that they represent temperature at all. This is grade school level logic here, anybody can now fully understand. It’s really no different from the fine art deception in which to this day an upside down urinal is worshipped as multimillion dollar “art” in order to seize control of a profitable market in arbitrary fashion, claiming everyday reasonable common sense no longer applies. What these activists forget is that such social oppression causes sudden youthful backlashes, as will be also so with the climate deception but this time taking the whole anti-intellectual left wing movement down with it.

“There is no law of progress. Our future is in our own hands, to make or mar. It will be an uphill fight to the end, and would we have it otherwise? Let no one suppose that evolution will ever exempt us from struggles. You forget, said the Devil, with a chuckle, that I have been evolving too.” – Dean Inge

Betruger wrote:How many lives from perpetuating - actively or passively - the deathism trance?

That's as much of an unnecessary suffering, in many times the number of people. And the cure yields many times the amount of healthy, happy living. Which is the same thing, albeit reduced in instances (people) and duration (lifespan), as any benefit that cannabis is meant to offer. Comparatively, curing aging is even less discriminating than cannabis. If you needed a century to get over your growing pains, you get that with curing aging.

If GW and endocannabinoids are systemic to those two parties, aging is systemic to basically the whole species c.2014.

Betruger wrote:Pot fixes only a fraction of the ills, a fraction of the people, and has a steeper uphill battle for general acceptance. Anything cannabis does, SENS would do better. Are you saying some of the terminally ill are less equal than others, ie than those who have cancer? That only those to be treated by pot deserve more time alive and healthy?

The use of experimental, unproven drugs to treat the Ebola virus is ethical, a panel of medical ethicists convened by the World Health Organization found on Tuesday.

The United Nations health agency's statement comes hours after a Spanish missionary priest, who was being treated for Ebola with the experimental drug ZMapp, died on Tuesday in a Madrid hospital.

"In the particular circumstances of this outbreak, and provided certain conditions are met, the panel reached consensus that it is ethical to offer unproven interventions with as yet unknown efficacy and adverse effects, as potential treatment or prevention," reads a WHO statement.

Betruger wrote:That enabling neglect of the electorate is not going to remain an effective dam against the tide once people see life extension proof of principle.

The whole world, the whole practical definition of life as we know it, changes. Ending aging supplants all other issues as far as politics are concerned, from the POV of both elected and electors, and from POV of both of them as the mortals they are.

Singling out pot is not seeing the forest for the trees.

anti-aging does you no good with out defeating cancer.

BTW when is this anti-aging miracle supposed to arrive? Cannabis is here now.

Betruger wrote:A partial cure for aging, if pot is that, is by principle worth less than a complete cure for aging. Whether here now or later. 100M$ over 10 years is the ballpark. The feasibility of which is independent of the morality of it.

Why is it only patients for whom pot is the optimal remedy that deserve to be campaigned for? Why argue against only cancer instead of against all of aging?

Because not one more day is required to implement the technology. And think of all the resources released from just that one thing. Resources that can be brought to bear against all the other items on your list.

There are hints that cannabis may cure or at least ameliorate diabetes. More resources released.

Do you have any idea about the amount of resources that can be liberated by the plant? Lets see. Suppose we look at 1/6th of a $12 trillion economy. That is $2 trillion. Let us be pessimistic and say cannabinoids will only fix half that - $1 trillion. Let us be optimistic and say 3/4s - $1.5 trillion. That is not exactly pocket change.

Your trouble is that you do not know how much money is involved. The medical establishment knows. Which is why they are in partnership with Mel Sembler's "Partnership for a Drug Free America". What kind of people favor death over loss of profits? And they would prefer you remain ignorant. From what I see they have done a pretty fair job.

Betruger wrote:

Because not one more day is required to implement the technology. And think of all the resources released from just that one thing. Resources that can be brought to bear against all the other items on your list.

There are hints that cannabis may cure or at least ameliorate diabetes. More resources released.

Do you have any idea about the amount of resources that can be liberated by the plant? Lets see. Suppose we look at 1/6th of a $12 trillion economy. That is $2 trillion. Let us be pessimistic and say cannabinoids will only fix half that - $1 trillion. Let us be optimistic and say 3/4s - $1.5 trillion. That is not exactly pocket change.

Your trouble is that you do not know how much money is involved. The medical establishment knows. Which is why they are in partnership with Mel Sembler's "Partnership for a Drug Free America". What kind of people favor death over loss of profits? And they would prefer you remain ignorant. From what I see they have done a pretty fair job.

Every day that curing aging is delayed, at least as many die from aging as die from what pot can cure.
The math you work out afterwards by principle would demonstrate the same, incl the sign-flippage from the decrepit being autonomous instead.

There is at least as much, again, profit to be made from anti-aging therapies. Doubtlessly big pharma will milk that gargantuan cash cow and politicians legislate all sorts of parasitical checks and balances in these therapies' implementation. The profit can be stretched out as long as people survive, and ostensibly by principle accumulate beyond anything possible with a mere ~80 years of life expectancy.

Eternal life (even though it really wouldn't be even notionally eternal, outside of public misconception) as results from SENS, Calico, etc, is such a fundamental issue that nothing will stand in the teeming masses' way once it's demo'd. Pot isn't even comparable. All of the self-serving votes for giant social programs, faustian as they are already, will only be more motivated to get their piece by the prospect of agelessness. Whether their ambition is as shallow as youthful skin or as deep as eternity beyond the century ahead in this cabin-fevered biosphere orbiting this one star.

Betruger wrote:So, for you, this is a mutually exclusive thing. If something like SENS can't cure cancer finger-snappingly now, it's worthless. Regardless if it could do everything pot does, times seven, indefinitely, along with whatever benefit pot might do. Is that callous?

The SENS shelf is empty (if posterized to "all or nothing") because it's denied en masse as you deny it above. You have the patience to push for pot's limited benefits, but not to even inform yourself as you demand others do about pot, about the actual non-posterized reality of less-limited anti-aging research. I really thought you had more integrity than this.