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I wrote an article a while back at American Thinker on how the Democrats might use pot legalization to win elections: http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/09/ ... _plan.html

It looks like it might affect the Governor Election this year in Florida. Lets go back about a year and a half to see what it looked like then:

http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/02/25/v ... juana.html

The most recent poll:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/gov ... oll-finds/

Now the most recent poll is by a polling organization that leans left. But a 15 or so point shift in two years doesn't seem unreasonable. So will the measure bring Democrats to the polls? It remains to be seen.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls ... -3545.html

The race right now is too close to call.

http://www.ibtimes.com/medical-marijuan ... ws-1642256

Despite Florida voters’ widespread support of marijuana legalization, November’s ballot measure isn’t without its detractors, among them is Republican Gov. Rick Scott. Even though he signed a bill in June that legalized low-grade cannabis for medical patients suffering from cancer or chronic seizures, Scott has stated he will oppose the Florida Right to Medical Marijuana Initiative in part because of the measure’s broad language. Opponents say the amendment allows almost anyone to obtain a medical cannabis card.

“I’ve watched drug use. I’ve watched alcoholism,” he said on the campaign trail in June. “I’ve seen how it affects families. I can’t support that.”

How about his opponent?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/2 ... 76935.html

Florida Democrats Could Get Boost From Medical Marijuana Initative

A November ballot measure to legalize marijuana for medicinal use in Florida could have a decidedly political side effect.

The ballot proposal, which was approved by Florida's Supreme Court on Monday, is so popular it could help Democrats unseat the state's Republican Governor, Rick Scott, who is up for re-election in November.

Democrats believe it could energize their base in a midterm electoral season that generally results in low turn out, while polls show even a majority of Florida Republicans support medical marijuana use.

Scott opposes the ballot initiative and is trailing in polls to his main challenger, former governor Charlie Crist, who favors legalization. That could set the stage for a political battle in a state that is both a harsh enforcer of drug laws and a major pot producer.

Florida's contest is the only gubernatorial election in a big swing state in November's midterm elections, and a Democratic victory would be a major blow to the Republican party heading into the 2016 presidential race.

Scott is being true to his base. Only 80% of Republicans support Med Pot in the left leaning poll. And 18 months ago? Only 56% of Republicans supported it. Even assuming the latest poll is skewed 10% Scott is asking for trouble. The Republicans are political geniuses.

Well don't know about Florida but I wish them well... but I am sorry to say it won't be Ohio at least not this year:

Ohio medical marijuana measure not going to make the 2014 ballot

Ohioans looking to legally use medical cannabis will have to wait at least another year (or move) as activists collecting signatures for the November ballot failed to reach their goal.
While Ohio Rights Group managed to collect around 100,000 signatures - a commendable figure - they failed to get the necessary 385,000 signatures.

The biggest obstacle: money. The reality of today's political landscape is that you need paid signature gatherers or it is hard to get anything on the ballot today. John Pardee, ORG President said their campaign never had the funding to accomplish that.

"You need paid help for an effort like this and what's disappointing is that we can't convince enough donors to contribute to get the necessary resources to put us over the top," Pardee told WBNS-10 in Columbus, Ohio.

Another reality, even today: people are wary of putting their name down on anything attached to anything having to do with marijuana - medical or otherwise. And, apparently in Ohio, the stigma is still stronger than the desire to help their neighbors access a safe, homegrown, therapeutic substance.

"We found there are a lot of people who would sign petitions but they fear losing their job," Pardee said. "Doctors and lawyers and other professionals tell me the same thing. There is stigma attached to the issue. We do find the continuing education is helping but that takes time."

I am afraid I am one of those chickensh&%t's that wouldn't sign the petition for the same reason.

Sorry MSimon maybe better luck next year for my state..

http://www.tokeofthetown.com/2014/07/oh ... ballot.php

williatw wrote:I am afraid I am one of those chickensh&%t's that wouldn't sign the petition for the same reason.

Sorry MSimon maybe better luck next year for my state..

http://www.tokeofthetown.com/2014/07/oh ... ballot.php

Funny thing is no one among the advocates planned for a big push this year. It is an off year and these sorts of things don't do well in off years. None of the things happening this year got much national support. The big money and big guns are planning for 2016.

If you follow the news in the field most of what is happening this year is preparations for 2016. Information campaigns and waiting for another 2 million old Republicans to die off.

BTW in the 2016 Presidential I don't see how the Rs have any chance at all unless Rand Paul gets the nod. And I do not believe he is next in line.

Since I have been an advocate under my own name for so long I have nothing to lose.

2016 Presidential I don't see how the Rs have any chance at all

And how would it matter? Red, blue, or green Luddites Prog socialists, Red and Blue are both Keynsian money and market destroyers, from both Red and Blue you get total surrogate world at war political and stomach turning, mind numbing, propaganda machines. Like looking at TV "World Wide Wrestling," the total difference is just Hollywood. Notice the news industry is dying? That is what shoveling out nothing but Prog propaganda will do.

Takes years to work on one issue while Rome burns. Anybody really care about which talking face is posted above the POTUS teleprompter and smiles for the camera? 1984 is already here, concrete poured and set.

Soviet serfs lived with spirit killing, ant farm socialism for the best part of a century. We will have to live with it for a thousand years or until we can escape to space.

mvanwink5 wrote:

2016 Presidential I don't see how the Rs have any chance at all

And how would it matter? Red, blue, or green Luddites Prog socialists, Red and Blue are both Keynsian money and market destroyers, from both Red and Blue you get total surrogate world at war political and stomach turning, mind numbing, propaganda machines. Like looking at TV "World Wide Wrestling," the total difference is just Hollywood. Notice the news industry is dying? That is what shoveling out nothing but Prog propaganda will do.

Takes years to work on one issue while Rome burns. Anybody really care about which talking face is posted above the POTUS teleprompter and smiles for the camera? 1984 is already here, concrete poured and set.

Despair is a sin mvanwink5...don't think the situation is nearly as hopeless as you do. On the subject of ending the WOD it is the States that are taking the lead; which is really most of the law as far as most of us are concerned. That's what really ended alcohol prohibition (before the amendment was repealed) the states stopped enforcing it.

mvanwink5 wrote:Soviet serfs lived with spirit killing, ant farm socialism for the best part of a century. We will have to live with it for a thousand years or until we can escape to space.

The actual Soviet Union basically went backrupt after merely a few decades...so why would you assume a thousand year socialist/communist "reich" here? Most of socialist Europe is going bankrupt too, maybe not as fast as the Soviet's did but fast enough; don't see them (in their currently socialist/welfare state form) contining for another 100yrs let alone anywhere close to a thousand give or take. Obama is thankfully an incompetent Socialist (like most of the rest of them); which is good cause otherwise we would be living in gun control nanny state "heaven" by now.

williatw,
Bankruptcy is a good argument. Of course all socialist states deal with that issue in their own way, Argentina for instance does the default dance, US, India go the devaluation route. Natural resource exploitation is the other trick, used by Britain and Venezuela (oil), and now the US is using Fracking. Then there is immigrant labor used by Europe (Muslims), and now the US (current illegal immigrant flood). Then George Orwell imagined continuous world war to keep the propaganda machine well oiled and to excuse poverty, rationing, and removal of freedom.

So, you see, these monsters are quite creative. Bankruptcy has been understood for a long time by the Progs. I figure the ice age glaciation will be easy for them to use just as "global warming" narrative. But I like your optimism.

The big issue for these small minded Prog crowd is Nationalism and China has a wall to demonstrate how long that can last. So, China may well be the thorn in the Prog's side, which I don't think they have figured out yet. It may be the one issue that crisps their bacon.

China too is bankrupt.