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The CIA has a reputation for lawlessness dating back at least to the 1980s. But I don't rate them high on the list of suspects for this one. More likely is some idiot soldier shooting at an unknown target without orders, or someone from that "religion of peace" got a hold of the missile in the local confusion.

No, it's every bit as predictable and stupid as it looks like.

Russians in the Ukraine using missiles provided by Putin shot down an airliner by mistake.

The problem is the news is now Newspeak. Any detective knows that when all the stories are identical, porkies are being told and all American news stories are the same, down to the same words, "The Narrative." Want to know the American government convenient news, managed news? Listen to American news it is all identical, even the same words.

The propaganda narrative is Putin is a bad guy. Why? he doesn't toe the US - Obama - progressive line.

hanelyp wrote: or someone from that "religion of peace" got a hold of the missile in the local confusion.

I have been thinking about that possibility too, or some other party that would benefit from Russia and the US going at each others throats.

CIA has been heavily operating in that region, billions going into the pockets of various Ukraine politicians and whose-its, anyone know what US interest is there, other than to stir the pot? Daily demonization of Putin, WTH?! Seen any demonization of the Chinese Premier? No? Why not? What about China's activities? Imagine if China instigated the overthrow of the Mexican government and put a pro China government in power, with military base plans, a Chinese run organization front like NATO is for the US, etc, in Mexico? Would that be provocative? You bet. No, this is some insane Prog agenda. Any idea WTH it is?

Someone needs to tell my brother-in-law to either scrape off that Obama sticker from his car bumper or the peace sign.

This shootdown has nothing to do with the CIA. You are smacking of Tin-Foil hat here.

I think it will play out as a Russia supported (equipment, etc.) Rebel shot made by idiots.

I saw video earlier supposedly showing a launcher being transported away from the shootdown area.
It is also no co-incidence that the Rebel leadership Blah-blahed about a aircraft kill (thinking it was Ukrainian Mil), and then deleted all references shortly there-after.

Tzar Vlad is painting himself into a corner with continued support to these idiots in Ukraine.

That really is what best satisfies Occam's, at this point.

Bebel shot was my guess too and now this is becoming the official story:

http://gizmodo.com/listen-to-a-wiretap- ... socialflow

Tin Foil Hat, yes, no doubt, but this Tin Foil Hatter is saying Obambat & Minions, and Republi-dingbats are complete loony tunes over Ukraine. And, who in the rusty weapon rebel squad knows the launch codes to shoot missiles at a plane flying at 33k feet? And which of those two groups could tell whose territory it is over at that altitude? Smells like someone trained, directed by someone who thought it was a worthy target (flying right in the altitude airlines fly). What military jet would fly at that altitude?

Arguing whether the Ukrainian army goons are less loony than Russian speaking village idiot rebel goons is fruitless, but it is not costing you or I billions. No, we elect Prog dingbats to send billions to buy one group of thugs over another, and for what??? Like I said someone needs to tell my brother-in-law to scrape at least one bumper sticker off.

Nice (convenient) distraction from the US border lunacy. Needed another one after that big nothing soccer ballyhoo. Keep-em-comin.

And anyone who believes an "official" story is believing what comes out of the news media. Fiction has a better chance of being real.

Is this the smoking gun? Footage emerges of BUK missile launcher being smuggled back to Russia and missing TWO rockets
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... -MH17.html

Allegedly there were over 100 of the worlds leading HIV researchers on that plane. This could potentially throw back HIV research by decades. I bet there is a conspiracy theory hiding in that sad fact too... puts tin foil hat on.
Either way, this is a major clusterfuck and I think that Russia would do a good job by distancing itself as far as possible from this from now on (as they should have done already by now).
So should the US, btw. This is an internal matter for the Ukraine to sort out.
Man, what a mess!

poop.

Delta you beat me to it. One of the better summaries I think.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... 000ft.html

The third video is probably shot by the guys working with the BUK launcher. You can hear engine running and see the vehicle track marks on the ground in front of them, as well as note that they are filming before dirt impact.