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For the average small town, these could actually be useful as snow plows if you put a blade on the front. One or two other possibilities, where there's a chemical plant, if they're airtight against toxic gas leaks they might come in handy evacuating people. The other possibility would be the oil industry, they need extra heavy duty trucks, might be better off handing them over to the fire departments.

It seems to me the Rubicon is shrinking by the day.

Simon hasn't been paying attention. I've been seeing critical mention of military equipment going to police in conservative circles. But we're far more concerned over a general decline in due process and rule of law.

With due process and rule of law, military style equipment in police hands isn't being abused.
Without due process and rule of law, police will abuse the people regardless of what equipment they have and what laws they are charged with enforcing.

hanelyp wrote:Simon hasn't been paying attention. I've been seeing critical mention of military equipment going to police in conservative circles. But we're far more concerned over a general decline in due process and rule of law.

With due process and rule of law, military style equipment in police hands isn't being abused.
Without due process and rule of law, police will abuse the people regardless of what equipment they have and what laws they are charged with enforcing.

But you fail to understand - you can't police significant contraband without giving up the rule of law. John Hancock is generally thought to be behind the IVth Amendment. He was a smuggler. Look up his adventures on the sloop Liberty.


This is something I wrote on the subject in Sept 2005 - it includes the Liberty.
http://powerandcontrol.blogspot.com/200 ... dment.html

A little late to the party aren't you pal? Well glad to have you aboard - welcome to the sloop Liberty like a TARDIS it has more room on the inside than its outer dimensions would indicate. Handy for smuggling.

Welcome to the party pal.

In any case these are very old lessons. Funny that the "Masters of History" haven't read their history. Or even studied Alcohol Prohibition. The police got a very bad rep from that one. It seems like due process went out the door to capture dealers, sellers, smugglers, and makers of contraband. And that one isn't even 80 years old.

And now we have one hundred years of precedent to repeal (The Harrison Narcotics Act 1914).

Here's a single page on that website I was yakking about that sums up a lot of it.

http://www.gnosticmedia.com/your-rights ... -on-drugs/

choff wrote:Here's a single page on that website I was yakking about that sums up a lot of it.

http://www.gnosticmedia.com/your-rights ... -on-drugs/

That is a malware site according to Avast.