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In the late eighteen-thirties, an imperial commissioner in China named Lin Zexu arrested dealers, and destroyed more than a million kilos of opium. But the British East India Company, which brought the drug from India, went to war, forced China to reopen its ports, and resumed importing enough opium to satisfy the millions of users. This began what is known in China as the Century of National Humiliation.

More than a hundred years later, Mao Zedong adopted a more ruthless version of Lin Zexu’s approach, tearing up fields, breaking pipes, and executing dealers. In some provinces, addicts were required to register with the local police, and there were rumors that anyone who had ever smoked opium would be rounded up and killed. At the beginning of Mao’s reign, more than twenty million Chinese smoked opium. Within a few years, opium use in mainland China had all but disappeared.

Why did Mao succeed where Lin Zexu had failed? The victory was due in part to Mao’s characteristic willingness to terrorize his people. But even more important were changes in the supply chain. In 1890, poppy cultivation was legalized, and soon domestic opium production exploded. During the Second World War, the Japanese colonized eastern China, planted opium, and encouraged consumption. By the mid-forties, when they left, almost all of the Chinese opium supply was homegrown. Mao did not have to argue with foreign governments, or bribe them, or send his armies abroad to burn the crops of indigent farmers, only to have them replant the moment he was gone. Unlike Lin Zexu, he could attack both the demand and the supply sides of the opium trade within the borders of his own country.

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2014 ... ntPage=all

choff wrote:It should be noted that the same crowd of people who profited from the opium trade in China(Yale and his friends) were the same people running Mao. It's called problem reaction solution/divide and conquer, same model they're running everyplace else.

William H. Russell (Skull &Bones; co-founder-1833) cousin Samuel Russell formally established Russell & Co. on January 1, 1824 for the purpose of acquiring opium and smuggling it to China. Russell & Co. merged with the number one US trader, the J. & T.H. Perkins "Boston Concern" in 1829. By the mid-1830s the opium trade had become "the largest commerce of its time in any single commodity, anywhere in the world." Russell & Co. and the Scotch firm Jardine-Matheson, then the world's largest opium dealer working together were known as the "Combination." George HW Bush (S&B 1948) was born in Milton, Massachusetts not far from the historic home of Robert Bennett Forbes, a Russell partner. Many great American, European and Chinese family fortunes were built on the "China"(opium) trade. Yes, they sold porcelain, tea, silks and other items at home in the US, but they "needed" the trade in opium for silver to pay for the desired goods and—opium smuggling returned "handsome" profits
http://www.ctrl.org/boodleboys/boddlesboys2.html

Elihu Yale was born near Boston, educated in London, and served with the British East India Company, eventually becoming governor of Fort Saint George, Madras, in 1687. He amassed a great fortune from trade and returned to England in 1699. Yale became known as quite a philanthropist; upon receiving a request from the Collegiate School in Connecticut, he sent a donation and a gift of books. After subsequent bequests, Cotton Mather suggested the school be named Yale College, in 1718.

A statue of Nathan Hale stands on Old Campus at Yale University. There is a copy of that statue in front of the CIA's headquarters in Langley, Virginia. Yet another stands in front of Phillips Academy in Andover, Massachusetts (where George H.W. Bush ('48) went to prep school and joined a secret society at age twelve).

Nathan Hale, along with three other Yale graduates, was a member of the "Culper Ring," one of America's first intelligence operations. Established by George Washington, it was successful throughout the Revolutionary War. Nathan was the only operative to be ferreted out by the British, and after speaking his famous regrets, he was hanged in 1776. Ever since the founding of the Republic, the relationship between Yale and the "Intelligence Community" has been unique.

In 1823, Samuel Russell established Russell and Company for the purpose of acquiring opium in Turkey and smuggling it to China. Russell and Company merged with the Perkins (Boston) syndicate in 1830 and became the primary American opium smuggler. Many of the great American and European fortunes were built on the "China"(opium) trade.

http://www.voxfux.com/features/scull_bones_opium.html

MSimon wrote:

choff wrote:It should be noted that the same crowd of people who profited from the opium trade in China(Yale and his friends) were the same people running Mao. It's called problem reaction solution/divide and conquer, same model they're running everyplace else.

Some history: http://www.angelfire.com/mi4/polcrt/Yale.html

Mao was a Yale man: http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=154829.0

A Yale social club:

William H. Russell (Skull &Bones; co-founder-1833) cousin Samuel Russell formally established Russell & Co. on January 1, 1824 for the purpose of acquiring opium and smuggling it to China. Russell & Co. merged with the number one US trader, the J. & T.H. Perkins "Boston Concern" in 1829. By the mid-1830s the opium trade had become "the largest commerce of its time in any single commodity, anywhere in the world." Russell & Co. and the Scotch firm Jardine-Matheson, then the world's largest opium dealer working together were known as the "Combination." George HW Bush (S&B 1948) was born in Milton, Massachusetts not far from the historic home of Robert Bennett Forbes, a Russell partner. Many great American, European and Chinese family fortunes were built on the "China"(opium) trade. Yes, they sold porcelain, tea, silks and other items at home in the US, but they "needed" the trade in opium for silver to pay for the desired goods and—opium smuggling returned "handsome" profits
http://www.ctrl.org/boodleboys/boddlesboys2.html

Elihu Yale was born near Boston, educated in London, and served with the British East India Company, eventually becoming governor of Fort Saint George, Madras, in 1687. He amassed a great fortune from trade and returned to England in 1699. Yale became known as quite a philanthropist; upon receiving a request from the Collegiate School in Connecticut, he sent a donation and a gift of books. After subsequent bequests, Cotton Mather suggested the school be named Yale College, in 1718.

A statue of Nathan Hale stands on Old Campus at Yale University. There is a copy of that statue in front of the CIA's headquarters in Langley, Virginia. Yet another stands in front of Phillips Academy in Andover, Massachusetts (where George H.W. Bush ('48) went to prep school and joined a secret society at age twelve).

Nathan Hale, along with three other Yale graduates, was a member of the "Culper Ring," one of America's first intelligence operations. Established by George Washington, it was successful throughout the Revolutionary War. Nathan was the only operative to be ferreted out by the British, and after speaking his famous regrets, he was hanged in 1776. Ever since the founding of the Republic, the relationship between Yale and the "Intelligence Community" has been unique.

In 1823, Samuel Russell established Russell and Company for the purpose of acquiring opium in Turkey and smuggling it to China. Russell and Company merged with the Perkins (Boston) syndicate in 1830 and became the primary American opium smuggler. Many of the great American and European fortunes were built on the "China"(opium) trade.

http://www.voxfux.com/features/scull_bones_opium.html

And yet not a word about Afghanistan from the usual subjects around here.

oh i would not say that
the 'uniforms getting darker' thread has been around a long time.
the move towards authoritarianism continues.....

MSimon wrote:
And yet not a word about Afghanistan from the usual subjects around here.

MSimon wrote:
The author of that thread just prefers a different brand of authoritarianism. Which I find most amusing.

MSimon wrote:
The real difficulty is that you have to totally reject any authority to have any chance against authoritarianism. Humans do not do that well. It is scary.

In fact the author has given up the authority brand he is trying to sell. Too funny.

Stubby wrote:
oh i would not say that
the 'uniforms getting darker' thread has been around a long time.
the move towards authoritarianism continues.....

Diogenes wrote:

Stubby wrote:
oh i would not say that
the 'uniforms getting darker' thread has been around a long time.
the move towards authoritarianism continues.....

And with an Irony you are too dense to comprehend, it is fueled by the support of people such as yourself.

You obviously haven't given up the snake oil you are trying to sell. Here you are, once again, misstating other's positions

MSimon wrote:

Diogenes wrote:

Stubby wrote:
oh i would not say that
the 'uniforms getting darker' thread has been around a long time.
the move towards authoritarianism continues.....

And with an Irony you are too dense to comprehend, it is fueled by the support of people such as yourself.

Au contraire my friend. You work directly for the dark uniforms giving them material support. But who knows. I might soon be doing the same. I need the money. But unlike you I have no illusions. The people controlling the uniforms are playing both ends against the middle.

You my friend think you are on the side of the good guys.

MSimon wrote: I'm just in it for the money. And the chance to play with the tech. Long after the uniforms are gone and their controllers are dust the tech will remain. And that is the limit of my noble impulse.

MSimon wrote:

You obviously haven't given up the snake oil you are trying to sell. Here you are, once again, misstating other's positions

Well I dunno. Aren't you an atheist who decries the loss of religion?

MSimon wrote: Oddly I think I'm a very religious person. The head office sends me messages direct. And I listen.


You are no doubt familiar with the book of Samuel. You ought to read it again and get right with ... Give up your craving for a King and your desire to place a King over others. But people crave a Master. Most want to be slaves. And in their disfigurement they prefer that others crave slavery as well. The disfigurement is then not so noticeable.

But we are all slaves to our desire to be warm in winter and eat regular. I would prefer to have no other Masters however.

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MSimon wrote:




When I was blogging regularly I did a bit on heroin. I had an addiction counselor tell me that in his experience all the addicts he had ever worked with were abused children. A number of current and former addicts chimed in to agree.

Dr. Lonnie Shavelson found something similar. There are organizations that are designed to assist former control addicts. Here are two:

http://www.leap.cc/

http://www.citizensopposingprohibition.org/

The head of the second ( http://www.citizensopposingprohibition.org/ ) is a close internet friend of mine.

You my friend take glee in abusing abused children. You ought to give it up. It dirties your soul. Assuming you have one.

choff wrote:My point would be that the same people who move the drugs into America are the same ones pushing the drug war, all the while eroding democracy. The first axiom in war is 'know your enemy,' and its not the users or street level dealers, it's the guys going through the revolving door from Intel to banking to politics to business.