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Uruguay --> Taking The Business Away From Criminals
Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2013 7:46 am
by MSimon
Uruguay's Senate is expected to pass a law on Tuesday making the small South American nation the world's first to allow its citizens to grow, buy and smoke marijuana.
The pioneering government-sponsored bill establishes state regulation of the cultivation, distribution and consumption of marijuana and is aimed at wresting the business from criminals.
http://news.yahoo.com/uruguay-become-fi ... 38668.html
We took the business away from criminals once before in the US when we repealed alcohol prohibition. The repeal of pot prohibition is following the same trajectory. The states are beginning to end enforcement with Colorado and Washington leading the way.
Plans For Legalization In 10 States
And now - 58% of Americans favor legalization.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/165539/first ... juana.aspx
And guess who the main cohort are who are against this?
I wonder if there is a political party out there who plans to take advantage of this.
http://healthland.time.com/2011/12/02/w ... ic-deaths/
Re: Uruguay --> Taking The Business Away From Criminals
Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2013 8:31 am
by MSimon
Some one asked in another thread why I devote so much effort to this.
In 1974 my brother was gunned down in Oakland CA by a drug gang. It is personal.
I miss you Jeff. RIP.
Re: Uruguay --> Taking The Business Away From Criminals
Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 2:31 am
by AcesHigh
right across the border...
Re: Uruguay --> Taking The Business Away From Criminals
Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2013 1:05 am
by TDPerk
MSimon wrote:Some one asked in another thread why I devote so much effort to this.
I expect you are wasting your time writing it. The infant and Diogenes have their narrative and they will stick to it.
Re: Uruguay --> Taking The Business Away From Criminals
Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2013 12:11 pm
by MSimon
TDPerk wrote:MSimon wrote:Some one asked in another thread why I devote so much effort to this.
I expect you are wasting your time writing it. The infant and Diogenes have their narrative and they will stick to it.
I don't write for them. I write for the people who never comment.
Re: Uruguay --> Taking The Business Away From Criminals
Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2013 4:21 pm
by paperburn1
Studies have consistently found that while mixing either marijuana or alcohol with driving is unadvisable, driving high is much safer than driving drunk. Research on stoned driving is inconsistent, with some studies finding impairment and others not;
This quote Is a common misrepresentation of the facts about MJ being safer than alcohol when driving.
When the respondents of several of these interviews were asked if the drove when high a large portion responded to the question with NO.
This resulted in de-slewing of the data Pot is not safer than alcohol when driving with impairment and accident rates being almost the same..
Of course you can always argue , "they are not on the road" and that is true.
Bottom line is I do not want anybody under any influence behind the wheel ....
Re: Uruguay --> Taking The Business Away From Criminals
Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2013 6:10 pm
by MSimon
paperburn1 wrote:Studies have consistently found that while mixing either marijuana or alcohol with driving is unadvisable, driving high is much safer than driving drunk. Research on stoned driving is inconsistent, with some studies finding impairment and others not;
This quote Is a common misrepresentation of the facts about MJ being safer than alcohol when driving.
When the respondents of several of these interviews were asked if the drove when high a large portion responded to the question with NO.
This resulted in de-slewing of the data Pot is not safer than alcohol when driving with impairment and accident rates being almost the same..
Of course you can always argue , "they are not on the road" and that is true. :lol:
Bottom line is I do not want anybody under any influence behind the wheel ....
Driving simulator tests confirm that experienced users are safer than even unstoned users. But the margin for that is small and considered insignificant. Except it shows up fairly consistently.
And yes. No one wants impaired drivers on the streets. If we could only get alkys to follow the law.
Here is your real world experience:
http://healthland.time.com/2011/12/02/w ... ic-deaths/
interesting paper on the subject of alcohol, cannabis, driving:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2722956/
Re: Uruguay --> Taking The Business Away From Criminals
Posted: Tue Dec 17, 2013 3:17 pm
by paperburn1
Attentiveness, vigilance, perception of time and speed, and use of acquired knowledge are all affected by marijuana;18–21 in fact, a meta-analysis of 60 studies oncluded that marijuana causes impairment in every performance area that can reasonably be connected with safe driving of a vehicle, such as tracking, motor coordination, visual functions, and particularly complex tasks that require divided attention,22 although studies on marijuana’s effects on reaction time have been contradictory.23 Similar conclusions have been reached by other reviewers.2 Worse still, marijuana and alcohol, when used together, have additive or even multiplicative effects on impairment.24 Consequently, on the basis of cognitive studies, it seems reasonable to propose that smoking marijuana may increase the risk of having a fatal traffic accident.
This is the conclusion from the study you provided.....
Re: Uruguay --> Taking The Business Away From Criminals
Posted: Wed Dec 18, 2013 12:30 pm
by MSimon
paperburn1 wrote:Attentiveness, vigilance, perception of time and speed, and use of acquired knowledge are all affected by marijuana;18–21 in fact, a meta-analysis of 60 studies oncluded that marijuana causes impairment in every performance area that can reasonably be connected with safe driving of a vehicle, such as tracking, motor coordination, visual functions, and particularly complex tasks that require divided attention,22 although studies on marijuana’s effects on reaction time have been contradictory.23 Similar conclusions have been reached by other reviewers.2 Worse still, marijuana and alcohol, when used together, have additive or even multiplicative effects on impairment.24 Consequently, on the basis of cognitive studies, it seems reasonable to propose that smoking marijuana may increase the risk of having a fatal traffic accident.
This is the conclusion from the study you provided.....
Quite so and I don't disagree. Now compare that to alcohol users.
Real world experience in med pot states is that some alkys switch to pot and it lowers traffic deaths.
http://healthland.time.com/2011/12/02/w ... ic-deaths/
Since perfection evidently is not an option I'll take better over worse.
I expect we will see more of this once Colorado and Washington data start coming in and studies are done.