The Injustice Of Current Family Law

[MSimon]

Although I do not support Sharia in the West, because I think it is a poor fit for Western culture, environment and civilization, it would be disingenuous of me to write that it does not offer an attractive alternative to contemporary family law. If the West cannot address its own broken law and the millions of injustices it has brought down on its men, we may soon face the specter of a home-grown Taliban, and if the only people fighting it with all their hearts are Feminists and opportunistic Social Conservatives, there’s a good chance it will eventually win.

http://www.the-spearhead.com/2009/10/06 ... for-islam/

Also see http://classicalvalues.com/2013/11/natu ... and-women/

I quote another site( http://www.singularity2050.com/2010/01/ ... ubble.html ):

Why does it seem that American society is in decline, that fairness and decorum are receding, that socialism and tyranny are becoming malignant despite the majority of the public being averse to such philosophies, yet the true root cause seems elusive? What if everything from unsustainable health care and social security costs, to stagnant wages and rising crime, to crumbling infrastructure and metastasizing socialism, to the economic decline of major US cities like Detroit, Cleveland, Pittsburgh, and Baltimore, could all be traced to a common origin that is extremely pervasive yet is all but absent from the national dialog, indeed from the dialog of the entire Western world?

Another quote from that site:

Executive Summary : The Western World has quietly become a civilization that undervalues men and overvalues women, where the state forcibly transfers resources from men to women creating various perverse incentives for otherwise good women to conduct great evil against men and children, and where male nature is vilified but female nature is celebrated. This is unfair to both genders, and is a recipe for a rapid civilizational decline and displacement, the costs of which will ultimately be borne by a subsequent generation of innocent women, rather than men, as soon as 2020.

[MSimon]

So who will the Democrats be running next? Most likely a woman.

And women make up 51% of the population. Nice edge right there.

[williatw]

So who will the Democrats be running next? Most likely a woman.

And women make up 51% of the population. Nice edge right there.

And women MSimon simply do not feel the same way about the "nanny state" or about biased divorce/child custody laws. They by and large IMHO perceive them as protecting poor defenseless women (& children) from the cruel rapaciousness of men. So our next president might very well be a possible man despising lesbian with a cheating spouse and a probably massive bone to pick with men.

[MSimon]

So who will the Democrats be running next? Most likely a woman.

And women make up 51% of the population. Nice edge right there.

And women MSimon simply do not feel the same way about the "nanny state" or about biased divorce/child custody laws. They by and large IMHO perceive them as protecting poor defenseless women (& children) from the cruel rapaciousness of men. So our next president might very well be a possible man despising lesbian with a cheating spouse and a probably massive bone to pick with men.

Quite so. But I must say your phrasing is suggestive.

In any case our SoCon friends think the biggest problem is gay marriage.

[Stubby]

WOW MSimon
there were hints of this from you before but here it is all its putrescence: misogyny.

[paperburn1]

WOW MSimon
there were hints of this from you before but here it is all its putrescence: misogyny.

Jumping the shark here,
what about
Misandryis the hatred or dislike of boys and/or men.Misandry can be manifested in numerous ways that have their parallel in misogyny. Warren Farrell has written of how men are uniquely marginalized in what he calls their 'disposability', the manner in which the most dangerous of societies' jobs throughout history, particularly soldiering, have been left for men to perform.

[MSimon]

WOW MSimon
there were hints of this from you before but here it is all its putrescence: misogyny.
:evil:

Well thank you. May I suggest this play which laid down the same facts 400 years ago.

http://viooz.co/movies/9264-the-taming- ... -1967.html

Or more in keeping with the theme of this board Richard Feynman:
http://www.roberttwigger.com/journal/20 ... nique.html

I wrote:

Which leads me to an interesting story. I was taught “Game” back in 1962 by my very first girlfriend. I was 18 and she was an ancient 22. Her hobby was first timers. Virgins. Lucky me. I had all the usual “beta” stuff you saw in the movies. Bring her flowers. Give her gifts. Grovel before her. She wasn’t having any of that. She wanted to be dominated and showed me how to do it. Basically it is the technique explained in Richard Feynman’s “Surely You Are Joking Mr. Feynman”. More or less a man takes the attitude that he is God’s gift to women and she is lucky to have him. There is much more to it than that. It requires continuous study and you have to adapt your “game” to each particular woman. But that is the essence of it. Joan broke my heart by falling for another guy. But she did leave me with some very valuable lessons. Thank you Joan.

http://classicalvalues.com/2013/11/natu ... and-women/

I know how you would like the world to work. Me too. But I prefer reality to fantasy. Women LOVE to be dominated. My first girlfriend taught me that. Before I learned that I was a dud with women. After I got it (and practiced some) I had a LOT of them. Knowing what I know helped me keep my mate of 39 years. Compare that with your average marriage these days. It doesn't require being mean to them or beating them (unless they request it). It means not letting them dictate the rules.

Women LOVE "bad boys". I am my mate's "bad boy". I tell her what I am doing and why. And yet she can't help but LOVE me. Would I like to be "nice"? Well of course. But it doesn't work. OH. Yeah. After 39 years the mate is STILL attracted to me. Very much so.

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The West is in decline because of misandry. You know. The guys staying home and playing video games instead of siring the next generation and raising families. Going Galt. Either we fix it or watch our societies turn into "Lord of the Files" type places from all the fatherless boys. Because women will reproduce. It is what they do. Not only did I keep my mate but we had 4 children. An artist. A Russian linguist (currently living in Russia). And two engineers. Not bad I'd say.

[MSimon]

Why do feminists hate Dr Warren Farrell? - video

http://www.mindingthecampus.com/origina ... it_fo.html

http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/autho ... rrell.html

http://ncfm.org/2012/11/activities/warr ... in-canada/

[williatw]

The West is in decline because of misandry. You know. The guys staying home and playing video games instead of siring the next generation and raising families. Going Galt. Either we fix it or watch our societies turn into "Lord of the Files" type places from all the fatherless boys. Because women will reproduce. It is what they do. Not only did I keep my mate but we had 4 children. An artist. A Russian linguist (currently living in Russia). And two engineers. Not bad I'd say.

We are not in a position to fix it...women will keep voting for the welfare state, and they are the majority of the electorate. Of course since we are rapidly going bankrupt:
Supposedly attributed to Questionable Sir Alex Fraser Tytler Quote

http://quotes.liberty-tree.ca/quote_blo ... Quote.4272

"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largess of the public treasury. From that time on the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury, with the results that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship....

[DeltaV]

Aye, a Scotsman.

Scotland, beam us up.
Scotland Unveils Defense Plans If It Splits From U.K.

[Diogenes]

In any case our SoCon friends think the biggest problem is gay marriage.

It's a symptom, not the cause. I could go into the causes, but I think you are more interested in making your strawman talk than you are in any sort of reasoned debate.



As the rejection of reasoned debate has also become the norm among the larger society, I predict violence in the not to distant future.

[Stubby]

The West is in decline because of misandry. You know. The guys staying home and playing video games instead of siring the next generation and raising families. Going Galt. Either we fix it or watch our societies turn into "Lord of the Files" type places from all the fatherless boys. Because women will reproduce. It is what they do. Not only did I keep my mate but we had 4 children. An artist. A Russian linguist (currently living in Russia). And two engineers. Not bad I'd say.

We are not in a position to fix it...women will keep voting for the welfare state, and they are the majority of the electorate. Of course since we are rapidly going bankrupt:
Supposedly attributed to Questionable Sir Alex Fraser Tytler Quote

http://quotes.liberty-tree.ca/quote_blo ... Quote.4272

"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largess of the public treasury. From that time on the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury, with the results that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship....

Yep. Which is why so much money is being contributed to campaigns to make sure the RIGHT laws get voted in, and the RIGHT contracts get awarded and the RIGHT taxes get lowered.

So much money is being made whilst sucking on the government teat and it is not by the people on welfare. The median income has stayed relatively flat since 1980 while corporate profits soar. Oil, gas, banking, defense contractors amongst others are making huge sums of cash from government programs.

I find it interesting that some of the people who voted to cut food stamps receive huge farm subsidies that were not cut at all. Nice 'coincidence'.

[MSimon]

In any case our SoCon friends think the biggest problem is gay marriage.

It's a symptom, not the cause. I could go into the causes, but I think you are more interested in making your strawman talk than you are in any sort of reasoned debate.

As the rejection of reasoned debate has also become the norm among the larger society, I predict violence in the not to distant future.

I believe I have identified the cause: no fault divorce. I have suggested a solution. Several in fact.

1. Learn how to keep a woman interested so she doesn't want a divorce.
2. End no fault divorce.

The straw man is gay marriage. It is an insignificant problem compared to hetero divorce.

But OK. You prefer treating symptoms to going after the disease. Fair enough. Your position is in itself insignificant. The misandry bubble will burst in about 7 years more or less.

Just as the Prohibition bubble has burst in the last year or so. The air is really rushing out of that one. Eventually the politicians will catch up. There are ten states in the target list for an end to pot prohibition in the next four years years.

http://yubanet.com/california/Organizat ... y-2017.php

Alcohol Prohibition ended in a similar way. It percolated up from the states.

Bipartisan Marijuana Bill Appears To Have One More Big Supporter In Its Corner: The NAACP

I expect something similar for the misandry bubble. It will percolate up from the states.

I'm doing my part by spreading the word.

[Diogenes]

I believe I have identified the cause: no fault divorce. I have suggested a solution. Several in fact.

1. Learn how to keep a woman interested so she doesn't want a divorce.
2. End no fault divorce.

Well this part looks like you are actually making an effort to explore this social dynamic. Again, I think it is one of the symptoms rather than the causes, but it is interesting that you are suggesting it. I think you were closer to the truth with your other writings regarding disparity between the populations of men and women.


Beyond that, picking out a single cause is folly because pretty much everything is the vector sum of multiple components, but some components are bigger than others and do have more influence on the resultant.

My simplified theory is as follows.


1. World War II drastically reduced the population of available men. Women had to bid higher (more sexual) for the remaining men.

2. Antibiotics made once deadly venereal diseases curable, thereby removing one source of sexual anxiety from women. This occurred roughly at the same time as World War II.

3. The Birth Control Pill (Mid 50s) removed another inhibition. By the 1960s, the stage was set for the Sexual revolution.

4. The Marriage monopoly on sex was broken.

5. LBJ screwed it to the Republicans for their support of the 24th amendment. Government checks made husbands no longer essential to a poor woman's well being, which further encouraged extreme promiscuity, and likewise the incidence of men taking less and less responsibility for their children.

The straw man is gay marriage. It is an insignificant problem compared to hetero divorce.

Or an even worse problem, hetero non-marriage, which Homosexual "Marriage" encourages. Marriage has simply become so culturally or morally meaningless that more and more people are opting out of it.

Pretty soon, only the "gays" will have it.

But OK. You prefer treating symptoms to going after the disease. Fair enough. Your position is in itself insignificant. The misandry bubble will burst in about 7 years more or less.

I would suggest that it is you who is interested in treating symptoms, and not the disease. As a matter of fact, i'm not sure if there is a disease at all. I lean towards the belief that these social cycles are pretty much a part of human nature, and that it is not plausible to forestall or remedy them. At best we can only endure and survive them.

Just as the Prohibition ...

I stop reading whenever I see you using that word. I'm just not interested in your latest iteration of pro-drug propaganda.

[williatw]

The West is in decline because of misandry. You know. The guys staying home and playing video games instead of siring the next generation and raising families. Going Galt. Either we fix it or watch our societies turn into "Lord of the Files" type places from all the fatherless boys. Because women will reproduce. It is what they do. Not only did I keep my mate but we had 4 children. An artist. A Russian linguist (currently living in Russia). And two engineers. Not bad I'd say.

We are not in a position to fix it...women will keep voting for the welfare state, and they are the majority of the electorate. Of course since we are rapidly going bankrupt:
Supposedly attributed to Questionable Sir Alex Fraser Tytler Quote

http://quotes.liberty-tree.ca/quote_blo ... Quote.4272

"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largess of the public treasury. From that time on the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury, with the results that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship....

Yep. Which is why so much money is being contributed to campaigns to make sure the RIGHT laws get voted in, and the RIGHT contracts get awarded and the RIGHT taxes get lowered.

So much money is being made whilst sucking on the government teat and it is not by the people on welfare. The median income has stayed relatively flat since 1980 while corporate profits soar. Oil, gas, banking, defense contractors amongst others are making huge sums of cash from government programs.

I find it interesting that some of the people who voted to cut food stamps receive huge farm subsidies that were not cut at all. Nice 'coincidence'.

Which is really not refuting the point, your merely expanding the definition of "welfare" to include corporate subsidies, tax breaks, etc. The core point is that people will over time progressively vote to increasingly loot the public treasury, be it in the form of a check (welfare, food stamps, SS), a benefit (Medicare, Medicaid), or a subsidy of one kind or another or tax break. And that the end result will eventually bankrupt any representative (or direct) democracy, sooner or later. Whether you want to call what they get "welfare" or some other word is neither here nor there. Technological civilization has simply so far created an unprecedented amount of real wealth, or the collapse would have already come by now. Trouble is there is no limit to human greed, no matter how much wealth there is people will lust for (feel their entitled to) more; human nature doesn’t change, that’s why there are historical & economic cycles.