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Green Fraud
Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2013 4:16 am
by MSimon
It is a sad day when Greens have to lie. But you could see it coming.
“So we have to offer up scary scenarios, make simplified, dramatic statements, and make little mention of any doubts we might have…Each of us has to decide what the right balance is between being effective and being honest.” Steven Schneider
Of course the Right has its Drug Prohibition lies. The common thread? "Only BIG Government can save us from this menace."
The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary. - H. L. Mencken
Re: Green Fraud
Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2013 4:23 am
by Schneibster
Chevron in Ecuador?
Really?
Really?
Re: Green Fraud
Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2013 4:23 am
by Schneibster
More silliness. There is no one here who is actually serious.
Re: Green Fraud
Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2013 4:34 am
by Jccarlton
Look, if they couldn't lie, they couldn't scare people. They've been lying all along. As for drug prohibition I'm getting the impression that many of us on the right are letting go of that as we discoer how lied we were about it. The fact that law and order has become thug and steal has a lot to do with that. Too many stories of people getting shot or robbed by no knock and police officers getting away with it. Too many rules and restrictions on things like cash transactions because of drugs as well.
Re: Green Fraud
Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2013 4:39 am
by Schneibster
Jccarlton wrote:Look, if they couldn't lie, they couldn't scare people.
Yep, like claiming "environmentalists want to destroy the world."
Re: Green Fraud
Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2013 11:26 am
by TDPerk
"Yep, like claiming "environmentalists want to destroy the world.""
The Greens want to destroy humanity, witness their policy objectives which would serve that end.
They want a world without people in it.
Re: Green Fraud
Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2013 4:24 pm
by Diogenes
MSimon wrote:
It is a sad day when Greens have to lie. But you could see it coming.
“So we have to offer up scary scenarios, make simplified, dramatic statements, and make little mention of any doubts we might have…Each of us has to decide what the right balance is between being effective and being honest.” Steven Schneider
Of course the Right has its Drug Prohibition lies. The common thread? "Only BIG Government can save us from this menace."
The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary. - H. L. Mencken
The Left will rob and enslave all of us while murdering many of us. The right will make it harder for people to get high.
Obviously both sides are equally bad.
Re: Green Fraud
Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2013 6:26 pm
by JLawson
Diogenes wrote:MSimon wrote:
It is a sad day when Greens have to lie. But you could see it coming.
“So we have to offer up scary scenarios, make simplified, dramatic statements, and make little mention of any doubts we might have…Each of us has to decide what the right balance is between being effective and being honest.” Steven Schneider
Of course the Right has its Drug Prohibition lies. The common thread? "Only BIG Government can save us from this menace."
The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary. - H. L. Mencken
The Left will rob and enslave all of us while murdering many of us. The right will make it harder for people to get high.
Obviously both sides are equally bad.
For certain values of 'obviously', and 'equally'. Personally, I'd rank murdering millions in an effort to fulfill a utopian scheme as being just >slightly< worse than prohibiting pot.
For certain values of 'slightly', of course.

Re: Green Fraud
Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2013 11:27 pm
by Schneibster
TDPerk wrote:"Yep, like claiming "environmentalists want to destroy the world.""
The Greens want to destroy humanity, witness their policy objectives which would serve that end.
They want a world without people in it.
That is paranoid psychotic delusion. Period.
Go worship Alex Jones.
Re: Green Fraud
Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2013 1:22 am
by TDPerk
"Go worship Alex Jones."
Who? I'm talking about the destruction required by the Kyoto Accords.
Re: Green Fraud
Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2013 1:48 am
by Schneibster
The Kyoto Accords are a waste of time and always were. It's a bandaid on a femoral artery slit.
The problem isn't with climate cranks in the US; we're already doing something about it. I mean, I argue with you, but really you're only a minor problem.
The big problem is China and India. Combined they can overwhelm our ability to absorb carbon by more than a couple orders of magnitude, if they are not convinced to abandon their plans for coal-fired electric plants. And unfortunately we cannot offer them a direct replacement; only nuclear power can satisfy their short-term needs. We must convince them to use it instead of coal. To them it's six of one and a half-dozen of the other; to us it's whether three billion people die or not. And don't fool yourself that's an argument they even care about, assuming they'd ever hear it.
This actually is of interest with regard to Iran; we'd very much prefer they expand their electric capability with nuclear energy, all things considered.