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http://www.cosmosmagazine.com/news/anta ... -are-sync/

One attempt to understand the D-O events is the ‘polar seesaw’ theory, which says that when one pole is getting colder, the other is getting warmer, perhaps with some delay between the two oscillations.

http://icecap.us/images/uploads/Arctic_ ... arctic.pdf

We hear a constant hyping of the new low arctic ice record and the
ignoring of the simultaneous increase of Antarctic ice which appears
heading towards a near new record high.
To these so called scientists and the media, the world began in 1979
when satellite tracking began, The famous picture of the submarine
Skate surfacing at the North Pole in August 1959 shows this has
happened before.


http://tucsoncitizen.com/wryheat/2012/0 ... ic-seesaw/



Reports from fishermen, seal hunters and explorers, …, all point to a radical change in climatic conditions and hitherto unheard-of temperatures in the Arctic zone. Exploration expeditions report that scarcely any ice has been met with as far north as 81 degrees 29 minutes. Soundings to a depth of 3,100 meters showed the gulf stream still very warm. -Washington Post, November 2, 1922.

And before:
“A considerable change of climate inexplicable at present to us must have taken place in the Circumpolar Regions, by which the severity of the cold that has for centuries past enclosed the seas in the high northern latitudes in an impenetrable barrier of ice has been, during the last two years, greatly abated.”

“2000 square leagues of ice with which the Greenland Seas between the latitudes of 74̊ and 80̊N have been hitherto covered, has in the last two years entirely disappeared.” -Royal Society, London. Nov. 20, 1817. Minutes of Council, Vol. 8. pp.149-153.

http://tucsoncitizen.com/wryheat/2012/0 ... saw/skate/

We've only had satellite data on the icecaps since 1979, I suggest a few more decades checking before we get all excited.

choff wrote:http://www.cosmosmagazine.com/news/anta ... -are-sync/

One attempt to understand the D-O events is the ‘polar seesaw’ theory, which says that when one pole is getting colder, the other is getting warmer, perhaps with some delay between the two oscillations.

http://icecap.us/images/uploads/Arctic_ ... arctic.pdf

We hear a constant hyping of the new low arctic ice record and the
ignoring of the simultaneous increase of Antarctic ice which appears
heading towards a near new record high.
To these so called scientists and the media, the world began in 1979
when satellite tracking began, The famous picture of the submarine
Skate surfacing at the North Pole in August 1959 shows this has
happened before.


http://tucsoncitizen.com/wryheat/2012/0 ... ic-seesaw/



Reports from fishermen, seal hunters and explorers, …, all point to a radical change in climatic conditions and hitherto unheard-of temperatures in the Arctic zone. Exploration expeditions report that scarcely any ice has been met with as far north as 81 degrees 29 minutes. Soundings to a depth of 3,100 meters showed the gulf stream still very warm. -Washington Post, November 2, 1922.

And before:
“A considerable change of climate inexplicable at present to us must have taken place in the Circumpolar Regions, by which the severity of the cold that has for centuries past enclosed the seas in the high northern latitudes in an impenetrable barrier of ice has been, during the last two years, greatly abated.”

“2000 square leagues of ice with which the Greenland Seas between the latitudes of 74̊ and 80̊N have been hitherto covered, has in the last two years entirely disappeared.” -Royal Society, London. Nov. 20, 1817. Minutes of Council, Vol. 8. pp.149-153.

http://tucsoncitizen.com/wryheat/2012/0 ... saw/skate/

We've only had satellite data on the icecaps since 1979, I suggest a few more decades checking before we get all excited.

We know so little that it's impossible to jump to conclusions about any of the climate stuff. We just haven't been watching things long enough to observe all the different variables. In fact I suspect that you can't determine all the variables because the minute you think have it locked down something changes and you are right back where you started. I wish that instead of chasing the end of world fantasy, climatologist would explore things like glacier formation and ices ages, something we know happens and the consequences of which will be huge. The world may get warmer, though I would say that that's unlikely. On the other the world will certainly go through another ice age. We know that because there have been so many in the past.

Assuming the descriptions of these previous arctic 'death spirals' bears up, I feel confident we have refution for all arguements supporting the notion of AGW caused by CO2. It's actually been an educational exercise in the sense that while a month ago I intuitively thought that global warming was a complete crock, I now empirically know global warming is a complete crock.

Unless the alarmists have something else for us to research and refute.

choff wrote:We hear a constant hyping of the new low arctic ice record

1. That's because it keeps getting lower, duh. 2. The Antarctic ice volume is also decreasing; it's only the surface area that's increasing, and that's because of melting in the interior. 3. You're lying again, this was all in an article I posted two days ago.