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See, this is how I know you guys are just repeating lies: you don't know where the models are really weak.

Hint: It's not CO2 and it never was. That's solid as stone; as they say, the science is settled.

It's water. Specifically the oceans. We know a lot about water vapor; but (and I could be wrong, they've probably upgraded the oceanic heat models quite a lot, considering there are hundreds of them and they've been working on it for a year or more since I last looked) less about the ocean. Our ocean models are a uniform average temperature that varies with the seasons. Until we know how heat circulates in the ocean, we won't know how long until we start having to pay for all the heat the ocean has absorbed, or what the price will be. But one thing's for sure: it will be hot.

You can't pump heat into the Earth-system forever without it getting hotter. This is duh.

Check your phrasing. The "Earth" system has been under the "Sun" system's heat for a while. "Earth" system's gotten "cold" in the past. The only "forever" trend is the other way - entropy.

Betruger wrote:Check your phrasing. The "Earth" system has been under the "Sun" system's heat for a while. "Earth" system's gotten "cold" in the past. The only "forever" trend is the other way - entropy.

Do you understand what it means to say the Earth is not in equilibrium?

Do you understand "what goes in must come out somewhere?" Conservation of mass-energy? The satellites say more heat's going in than is coming out. History doesn't matter, climate models don't matter, composition of the atmosphere doesn't matter. Solar variation matters, and is on record day by day. Earth's atmospheric heat output matters, and is on record day by day. There really just isn't anyplace to hide from that.

You claim it's not CO2? Fine. Tell us what it is. Heat doesn't disappear into nowhere. Not ever.

As far as the Earth-system, for the purposes of global warming it ends at the mesopause.