Skepicism Doesn't make you a denier or a crank.

[Jccarlton]

In spite of what our commenter thinks, being skeptical of the AGW theory doesn't make you some delusional crank. I think that most of who are skeptical of the whole AGW scare got there because we dared to ask simple questions and instead of answers we got attacks and name calling:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/07/25/m ... more-90436

[GIThruster]

Right on.

And to the myth that there are only 25 peer reviewed papers on the skeptic's side of the debate:

http://www.populartechnology.net/2009/1 ... rting.html

Skeptics are not the tiny minority people claim.

[JLawson]

In spite of what our commenter thinks, being skeptical of the AGW theory doesn't make you some delusional crank. I think that most of who are skeptical of the whole AGW scare got there because we dared to ask simple questions and instead of answers we got attacks and name calling:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/07/25/m ... more-90436

Well, I've always found that being called an ignorant, uneducated moron who can't understand that the science is SETTLED, dammit! and that I've got to be wanting the world to DIE to be a totally convincing argument.

/sarc

The angrier they got, the less certain I became and the more questions I asked. And when I found that Al Gore was part owner of a 'carbon credit' exchange - it started smelling like a scam.

The more you watch, the less serious they seem to be. Worried about global warming, and sure your science is bulletproof? You don't fly everywhere in private jets. You don't buy oceanfront property. You don't hide your data, and conceal your models. You don't 'adjust' your data like a chiropractor on 'dollar a crack' day.

And you don't insist that there's NO TIME to even show your work, that we have to make multi-billion dollar adjustments NOW, NOW, NOW to our economies to keep from boiling the oceans in ten years.

THAT was what pushed me far over the edge - a con man NEVER allows the mark time to think that maybe he's being scammed. Talk down the people telling the mark that they're being taken - after all, they're not 'REAL' climate scientists.

We had to go green. Solar and wind... spending billions upon billions on that. (If we really needed CO2 free power, you'd think they'd push nuclear, wouldn't you?)

So here we are, many years later. The warming has stopped. So, apparently, has the solar cycle - we're at max and seeing pretty much nothing. There's forecasts of two to six more decades of either no warming or declining temperatures.

The scam's blown.

But the science is settled - they'll put a match under the thermometer any minute now.

[Diogenes]

Right on.

And to the myth that there are only 25 peer reviewed papers on the skeptic's side of the debate:

When he first showed up, I thought he might be intelligent and knowledgeable, albeit an arrogant prick. When he showed us that link to his massive "argumentum ad populum", that's when I knew he was an idiot kook who doesn't realize he's both ignorant AND stupid.


He share's those traits with our current "leadership."

[Jccarlton]

Right on.

And to the myth that there are only 25 peer reviewed papers on the skeptic's side of the debate:

When he first showed up, I thought he might be intelligent and knowledgeable, albeit an arrogant prick. When he showed us that link to his massive "argumentum ad populum", that's when I knew he was an idiot kook who doesn't realize he's both ignorant AND stupid.


He share's those traits with our current "leadership."

He lost me when he didn't even seem to know what the IPCC AR5 WAS, and accused me of cherry picking though I'm not sure of what, because I never even mentioned anything other than IPCC AR5. Then he responded to my linking to JAMES HANSEN'S quote in the economist about AR5 that picking two temperatures doesn't prove anything. It's as if his entire response to the entire argument runs on rails and he doesn't know enough to work an on argument that doesn't approach the issues the way he's expecting. He's never done enough reading to know the roots of the issues and doesn't even know who the players are other than, "the scientists," "NASA," and "the Koch Bros." For that matter I can't believe that he has had any exposure to a real science environment and what goes on there.

[GIThruster]

Well you saw what happened this weekend. He started in the thread on the flyby anomaly by demonstrating he didn't know anything about the issue, and inside a day was playing the expert who was lecturing an aerospace engineer about orbital trajectories.

Instant expert on all issues. This is what web access and a profound lack of humility do. There is no way to discuss anything with such a person.

His private blog is worse still. I find it amazing that someone with no science education past high school can pretend he knows what are the issues in modern science. He absolutely does not know, and the rants about chaos and GR are just bloviating. All empty nonsense and no substance.

[Schneibster]

Repeating obvious lies does.

Thousands of climate geophysicists are not involved in a plot to discredit non-scientists. It's silly to pretend it. Just like physics cranks who are sure the physicists all know Relativity is wrong and are in a giant conspiracy to discredit poor honest non-scientists in their evil plot to extract money for giant particle accelerators. Silliness. Completely un-credible.

It's on the Baez List, http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/crackpot.html

40 points for claiming that the "scientific establishment" is engaged in a "conspiracy" to prevent your work from gaining its well-deserved fame, or suchlike.

Oh and BTW

40 points for comparing those who argue against your ideas to Nazis, stormtroopers, or brownshirts.

[Stubby]

Since many of you have decided to go nahnahnah can't hear you
I bring the funny of part of Scneibster's post.
I make no comment on the validity of the index

The Crackpot Index

40 points for claiming that the "scientific establishment" is engaged in a "conspiracy" to prevent your work from gaining its well-deserved fame, or suchlike.

Oh and BTW

40 points for comparing those who argue against your ideas to Nazis, stormtroopers, or brownshirts.

[Jccarlton]

Well you saw what happened this weekend. He started in the thread on the flyby anomaly by demonstrating he didn't know anything about the issue, and inside a day was playing the expert who was lecturing an aerospace engineer about orbital trajectories.

Instant expert on all issues. This is what web access and a profound lack of humility do. There is no way to discuss anything with such a person.

His private blog is worse still. I find it amazing that someone with no science education past high school can pretend he knows what are the issues in modern science. He absolutely does not know, and the rants about chaos and GR are just bloviating. All empty nonsense and no substance.

You know, my life has had some wonderful opportunities to talk some of the top people on a lot of stuff. I've had the chance to listen and talk to rocket scientists about rocket, people who've actually been to the Titanic about what's there, Michou Kaku about FTL travel, the head of Princeton Plasma physics about Tokamaks and physicists about particle physics. I've found that these kind of people love what they do and like to talk about it. They are also, unlike the climate crowd, not so afraid of the consequences that they want hide what they did behind a shield of obfuscation. Rather the opposite, in fact, when you ask most people in science or technology for advise and help they just love to give even more than you ask for. At least that's been my experience.

[GIThruster]

Since many of you have decided to go nahnahnah can't hear you
I bring the funny of part of Scneibster's post.
I make no comment on the validity of the index

Don't. We have him blocked for a reason, you moron. What the hell is wrong with you? Are you really that stupid?

[Schneibster]

Well you saw what happened this weekend. He started in the thread on the flyby anomaly by demonstrating he didn't know anything about the issue, and inside a day was playing the expert who was lecturing an aerospace engineer about orbital trajectories.

Instant expert on all issues. This is what web access and a profound lack of humility do. There is no way to discuss anything with such a person.

His private blog is worse still. I find it amazing that someone with no science education past high school can pretend he knows what are the issues in modern science. He absolutely does not know, and the rants about chaos and GR are just bloviating. All empty nonsense and no substance.

You know, my life has had some wonderful opportunities to talk some of the top people on a lot of stuff. I've had the chance to listen and talk to rocket scientists about rocket, people who've actually been to the Titanic about what's there, Michou Kaku about FTL travel, the head of Princeton Plasma physics about Tokamaks and physicists about particle physics. I've found that these kind of people love what they do and like to talk about it. They are also, unlike the climate crowd, not so afraid of the consequences that they want hide what they did behind a shield of obfuscation. Rather the opposite, in fact, when you ask most people in science or technology for advise and help they just love to give even more than you ask for. At least that's been my experience.

Yep.

So, not exactly the sharpest knife in the drawer, are we?

[Schneibster]

Since many of you have decided to go nahnahnah can't hear you
I bring the funny of part of Scneibster's post.
I make no comment on the validity of the index

Don't. We have him blocked for a reason, you moron. What the hell is wrong with you? Are you really that stupid?

You have me blocked because you're cranks and you know it.

He doesn't because he's not.

IIRC you were the one who earned the 40 points on the Crackpot Index by calling me a Nazi.

Also, I'm not interested in bragging about education. I prefer to prove I'm telling the truth by showing the scientific papers and talking about the meaning of the equations. It's much more to the point, after all. And I'm not a physics professor.

[Diogenes]

Since many of you have decided to go nahnahnah can't hear you
I bring the funny of part of Scneibster's post.
I make no comment on the validity of the index

More like we have shut the door to avoid the distraction of having to listen to screaming temper tantrums.

[Schneibster]

Since many of you have decided to go nahnahnah can't hear you
I bring the funny of part of Scneibster's post.
I make no comment on the validity of the index

More like we have shut the door to avoid the distraction of having to listen to screaming temper tantrums.

Cranks always are ostentatious.

Mine is just an emoticon. I think humor is more amusing when it remains classy:

Oh and thanks; imitation is the highest form of flattery.

[Jccarlton]

Well you saw what happened this weekend. He started in the thread on the flyby anomaly by demonstrating he didn't know anything about the issue, and inside a day was playing the expert who was lecturing an aerospace engineer about orbital trajectories.

Instant expert on all issues. This is what web access and a profound lack of humility do. There is no way to discuss anything with such a person.

His private blog is worse still. I find it amazing that someone with no science education past high school can pretend he knows what are the issues in modern science. He absolutely does not know, and the rants about chaos and GR are just bloviating. All empty nonsense and no substance.

You know, my life has had some wonderful opportunities to talk some of the top people on a lot of stuff. I've had the chance to listen and talk to rocket scientists about rocket, people who've actually been to the Titanic about what's there, Michou Kaku about FTL travel, the head of Princeton Plasma physics about Tokamaks and physicists about particle physics. I've found that these kind of people love what they do and like to talk about it. They are also, unlike the climate crowd, not so afraid of the consequences that they want hide what they did behind a shield of obfuscation. Rather the opposite, in fact, when you ask most people in science or technology for advise and help they just love to give even more than you ask for. At least that's been my experience.

Yep.

So, not exactly the sharpest knife in the drawer, are we?

You know, when you google somebody's handle and the first thing that comes up it that they "have gone off the deep end." and you look into and it's not a bunch of people who he calls "cranks", instead being people presumably who agreed with him and by all indications were cutting him a ton of slack, you have to think that there's something seriously wrong. When they enter every post and try to make their point in every argument by screaming and flinging monkee poo(go ahead, report me you little tattletale. I'm sure that Msimon and I can have a few laughs over it.) along with how everybody but himself is a "crank" or some other insult, well you have KNOW there is something SERIOUSLY WRONG with them.