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Conspiracy Theorists

Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2013 7:03 am
by MSimon
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-03-1 ... ring-fight

Though posing as an anti-racist monitoring institution, the SPLC’s primary concern has never been the KKK or “White Identity”. Rather, the SPLC’s job has been and always will be to marginalize and defame those who stand against centralized federal power, regardless of how corrupt that power has become. They are not anti-racists, or liberals, or concerned citizens; they are STATISTS, who only care about maintaining the superiority of a government that has been bought and paid for many times over by a gaggle of international financiers with delusions of godhood.

The SPLC, of course, has so far utterly failed in their efforts to stop the rise of Constitutional activists. By their own admission, “patriot groups” have expanded exponentially since 2008, and continue to develop freely even in the face of wildly absurd character attacks taken from the amoral (immoral) guidebook of Saul Alinsky himself. The truth, once realized, is difficult if not impossible to stop.

Unfortunately, the establishment understands this as well...

Given a few more years, the Liberty Movement will indeed prevail in the struggle for the “infowar”. Naysayers who claimed we were merely an ineffective and irrelevant peripheral of society are now faced with a strong and growing minority which has the power to swing state and local elections, as we did in 2012, simply by refusing to vote for oath breaking Republicans, sending the message that if the Republican party ever wants to win again, they had better run honest Constitutionalists. Those who claimed our message was “insane conspiracy theory” must now explain the indefinite detention and rendition provisions of the NDAA, the government approved unleashing of 30,000 surveillance drones in American skies, the Obama Administration's assassination list which includes U.S. citizens, and the push for gun registration and confiscation which is already beginning to take place in some states.

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The SPLC refers to almost everything as “conspiracy theory” because they hope that the average American is too stupid to question their rhetoric. Calling someone a “conspiracy theorist” is the modern equivalent of accusing a person of being mentally ill; the goal is to inoculate the public against anything they have to say before they say it, even if it is the unbridled truth.

The SPLC has consistently shrugged off economic concerns as “paranoia”, but they never qualify their statements. Years ago I openly challenged Mark Potok and the whole of the SPLC to a debate on the health of the U.S. economy, and I reassert that challenge today. If they think our concerns are unfounded and a source of paranoia, then they should be willing to defend their position. I believe our financial system is on the fast track to collapse for quite a few reasons, including the fact that:

Our official national debt stands at $16.6 trillion. In 2008, the national debt was around $10 Trillion, meaning, we’ve added over $6 trillion in only 5 years. (Gee, is it possible that this has pissed Americans off more than Obama’s ethnicity?)

Real national debt including entitlement programs and future obligations is estimated between $60 Trillion and $120 Trillion.

Our official debt to GDP ratio (the amount of capital our country generates versus what it owes) stands at 102%. Historically, when a country crosses the 100% mark in its debt to GDP, there is a marked chance of economic crisis. If you count all of the programs and entitlements that the Federal Government doesn’t include in its “official” arithmetic, our debt to GDP ratio is actually closer to 400%. This means an economic crisis is ASSURED.

The Labor Department, using what they call “adjusted numbers” places unemployment at 7.9%. Real unemployment including U6 measurements (those people who are underemployed, and those people who have been unemployed for so long they no longer receive benefits and are no longer counted by the government) stands at over 20%.

In 2009, 32 million Americans were enrolled in food stamps. Today, that number has grown to 48 million. That’s a 50% increase in only 4 years.

The number of people on standard disability has hit a record of 9 million, and has grown every month for the past 192 months.

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Let me add that those of you who support Federal Power over the things it never had power over in 1900 are part of the problem. Being a Right Wing Progressive is no better than being a Left Wing Progressive.

He who would trade liberty for some temporary security, deserves neither liberty nor security. And he will get no security in exchange for his liberty. It is a devils bargain.

There are more endocannabinoid receptors in the body than any other receptor type.

Re: Conspiracy Theorists

Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2013 2:37 pm
by Diogenes
MSimon wrote:Let me add that those of you who support Federal Power over the things it never had power over in 1900 are part of the problem. Being a Right Wing Progressive is no better than being a Left Wing Progressive.


I operate from the belief that tolerance of drug usage = National Death, and is therefore an issue of required governmental intervention akin to foreign attack. You do not.



Continuously maligning this position as "Right Wing Progressive" is not persuasive, and is indeed, demonstrative of no intention of addressing the actual argument.


It's just hurling slime at someone with whom you disagree.

Re: Conspiracy Theorists

Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2013 3:02 pm
by kcdodd
The point is there is no authority to ban things at the federal level.

Re: Conspiracy Theorists

Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2013 4:03 pm
by choff
The idea is that prohibition is a conspiracy to extend government power and engage in rent collection of highly addictive substances, but to have such a conspiracy, you require highly addictive substances to prohibit. Contingent for the conspiracy would be there was a time before the conspiracy when such substances were not available, and the public had no motivation to consume them. So not only must you make these substances available, you must motivate people to consume them. Governments will always want to use subversive methods to destablilize rival countries, and highly addictive substances that weaken society can be used by native governments to control the population as well. It should come as no suprise that Saul Alinsky was a frequent visitor to Al Capone and his cohorts before launching his career as a subversive. The population can be persuaded to use these addictive substances as a result of the stress caused by rent collection methods and other acts of subversion/enslavement. Unless your one of these coincidence theorists who believe conspiracy theorists are all kooks.

Re: Conspiracy Theorists

Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2013 4:30 pm
by Diogenes
kcdodd wrote:The point is there is no authority to ban things at the federal level.

Existential threats are the primary purpose of the Federal Government.

Re: Conspiracy Theorists

Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2013 8:48 pm
by kcdodd
You're confusing ought for is. Im saying it is not in the constitution. Whether or not it ought to be, and in what form, is a different question. However, it seems like that's already been tried and failed.

Re: Conspiracy Theorists

Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2013 8:55 pm
by KitemanSA
Diogenes wrote:Existential threats are the primary purpose of the Federal Government.
Say WHAT? Existential?

"Søren Kierkegaard is generally considered to have been the first existentialist philosopher.[8][9][10] He proposed that each individual—not society or religion—is solely responsible for giving meaning to life and living it passionately and sincerely."

The "existential threat" here is YOU, not drugs.

Re: Conspiracy Theorists

Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2013 10:59 pm
by Diogenes
kcdodd wrote:You're confusing ought for is. Im saying it is not in the constitution. Whether or not it ought to be, and in what form, is a different question. However, it seems like that's already been tried and failed.

And i'm saying it's axiomatic. In other words, so fundamental that it doesn't need explicit expression. Existential threats are the primary purpose of government. A government that cannot protect it's own existence cannot protect anyone else's either.