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A democratic "hero", an Alinskyist campaign of personal destruction, a party and bunch of mandarins willing to demogogue and cheat in any way to keep their grip on all of us and a gloating foul buffoon, this is what brought the worst president in history back in to office. History's verdict for this will not be kind.
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I just love how this man and Schultz are gloating over this. It's so socipathic, all they care about is their sick desire for control and the self moralizing. Frankly all I saw was Romney being frank and well, telling the truth, something the Democrats had a problem with. The problem is that 47% takers is a huge crisis and a road to certain collapse.

Yeah, those seniors, military members, and students are just moochers.....right? Riiiiiight.

I think i have read the same thing regarding Republicans.

Stubby wrote:I think i have read the same thing regarding Republicans.

Read it? I have SEEN it.

ScottL wrote:Yeah, those seniors, military members, and students are just moochers.....right? Riiiiiight.

Well Scott,

They are a problem. Doesn't matter how deserving. I have recently come out of retirement because no matter what I'm "owed" for social security I have no faith that it will continue.

BTW I learned my trade - aerospace engineering - without going to school. I suggest that route to anyone who will listen.

Well Scott,

They are a problem. Doesn't matter how deserving.

What exactly is the problem here? That at various points in people's lives they don't generate enough income to owe federal income taxes? Or is it that the federal income tax laws are written in such a way that not 100% of the population is required to pay something in every year? Or is the problem that some people's skills aren't valued enough to be paid at a level where their income reaches a federal taxable level?

necoras wrote:

Well Scott,

They are a problem. Doesn't matter how deserving.

What exactly is the problem here? That at various points in people's lives they don't generate enough income to owe federal income taxes? Or is it that the federal income tax laws are written in such a way that not 100% of the population is required to pay something in every year? Or is the problem that some people's skills aren't valued enough to be paid at a level where their income reaches a federal taxable level?

The problem is that if you suck everything out of the dole you can work doesn't pay unless you can get well past $60K a year. And for that $60K you get to stay home most of the time.

BTW I learned my trade - aerospace engineering - without going to school. I suggest that route to anyone who will listen.

This simply isn't as big a possibility as it was in years past. Grandfathering into a discipline is virtually unheard(Today) of especially as technology has changed. Take Aerospace Engineering these days, you're not going to get picked up by Lockheed without a degree, it just isn't going to happen. You can listen all you want, but without that degree, they have nothing to say to you.

ScottL wrote:

BTW I learned my trade - aerospace engineering - without going to school. I suggest that route to anyone who will listen.

This simply isn't as big a possibility as it was in years past. Grandfathering into a discipline is virtually unheard(Today) of especially as technology has changed. Take Aerospace Engineering these days, you're not going to get picked up by Lockheed without a degree, it just isn't going to happen. You can listen all you want, but without that degree, they have nothing to say to you.

For contractors they don't care. If they can let you go after a week or two with zero layoff costs you don't need a $50,000 certification. As the whole university thing grinds to a halt because of excessive costs, credentialism will go with it.

Labor law has made labor too expensive.

ScottL wrote:

BTW I learned my trade - aerospace engineering - without going to school. I suggest that route to anyone who will listen.

This simply isn't as big a possibility as it was in years past. Grandfathering into a discipline is virtually unheard(Today) of especially as technology has changed. Take Aerospace Engineering these days, you're not going to get picked up by Lockheed without a degree, it just isn't going to happen. You can listen all you want, but without that degree, they have nothing to say to you.

The fact he hasn't worked in 14 years is pretty much proof that he's not an engineer. That's what he tells himself but engineers have degrees and simon does not. That's why he has no job--the drugs were more important than the sheepskin.

GIThruster wrote:

ScottL wrote:

BTW I learned my trade - aerospace engineering - without going to school. I suggest that route to anyone who will listen.

This simply isn't as big a possibility as it was in years past. Grandfathering into a discipline is virtually unheard(Today) of especially as technology has changed. Take Aerospace Engineering these days, you're not going to get picked up by Lockheed without a degree, it just isn't going to happen. You can listen all you want, but without that degree, they have nothing to say to you.

The fact he hasn't worked in 14 years is pretty much proof that he's not an engineer. That's what he tells himself but engineers have degrees and simon does not. That's why he has no job--the drugs were more important than the sheepskin.

I'm working now as an engineer and getting paid. And I don't have to leave home to do it. And I didn't need to buy a degree to prove my worth. You have a problem with that don't you. It galls you. Well I'm glad.

You had to pay to prove your worth. I got paid to prove mine.

You are obviously laboring under the delusion that I care simon. First off I don't believe you. You've lied about your job status time and again for years. Why should I start believing you now?

Your life is obviously a cry for help, simon. First telling everyone here how you're a lifelong druggie, got fired from your job, living on the dole for 14 years, blaming it all on a piss test you couldn't pass, blaming it all on PTSD as if you were able to diagnose, blaming it on your father, blaming it on everything but your choice to do drugs daily for decades. Acting out all crazy in more than 100 threads, redirecting every conversation to suit your own obsession, convincing yourself that you're on some holy crusade and you are making a difference in the world by posting your childish arguments, finding the off hole in the wall blog where people respect your craziness. . .the very most you are is a minor annoyance. And once again, you have this crazy delusion that I am sitting in my chair fretting because you have a job without paying for school? C'mon. . .you must be brighter than that.

I don't believe you simon. You have lied far too many times for anyone to take you seriously and even if what you say is true, I don't care. You are not on my "be concerned with" list. I have a real life. You should try it.

I hate to break it to those who think it is easy to stumble into engineering jobs, but it's a new age, new time and that shit just don't fly anymore. I'm told at one time you could apprentice with an engineer in hopes of being grand-fathered into your field, those days are LONG GONE. Now experience is gotten by internships and interships are gotten by having college experience because very few companies want to take a chance on an 18 year old kid fresh out of high school with their only experiencing being how to work the grill at McDonalds (which is automated fyi). MSimon got hired because he has what is called EQUIVALENT EXPERIENCE, however; one can no longer obtain this experience through any other means than pure dumb luck or going to college/training. It's been this way for quite a while, but still blows my mind when individuals assume the world hasn't changed in 5, 10, 15, 20, 30, 50 years. Not a hard concept folks.

ScottL wrote:I hate to break it to those who think it is easy to stumble into engineering jobs, but it's a new age, new time and that shit just don't fly anymore. I'm told at one time you could apprentice with an engineer in hopes of being grand-fathered into your field, those days are LONG GONE. Now experience is gotten by internships and interships are gotten by having college experience because very few companies want to take a chance on an 18 year old kid fresh out of high school with their only experiencing being how to work the grill at McDonalds (which is automated fyi). MSimon got hired because he has what is called EQUIVALENT EXPERIENCE, however; one can no longer obtain this experience through any other means than pure dumb luck or going to college/training. It's been this way for quite a while, but still blows my mind when individuals assume the world hasn't changed in 5, 10, 15, 20, 30, 50 years. Not a hard concept folks.

I didn't apprentice in. I was not grandfathered. I worked my way up from bench technician. A new job every six months. As a contractor. Every job I asked for more responsibility. So my resume changed from technician resume to engineer resume over time.

Having done some hiring over the years let me tell you how it is done:

Managers do not look at that school crap. What they look at is how well what you have done recently matches what they need done. The final cut is done with the interview. I was always confident in interviews. A go getter. I could close.

You pay for all that schooling to get your first job. After that it is resume all the way. The trick is to keep moving until you get where you want to go. My longest stints were at the aerospace company. One for two years and ten years later at the same company for two and a half years.

The trick is to build your resume. And spend a lot of time studying to keep current.

Managers do not look at that school crap. What they look at is how well what you have done recently matches what they need done. The final cut is done with the interview. I was always confident in interviews. A go getter. I could close.

So scenario here, you're fresh out of high school, 18 years old and your experience consists of fries at McDonalds. How does that translate to Aerospace bench technician? It doesn't and there aren't bench technicians at major companies anymore. I'm trying to tell you as someone who has more recently gone through this experience than you, that times have changed. There's really no such thing as bench technicians anymore. All jobs state as a requirement "Degree or equivalent experience" and when you have neither you're not considered. I get that you had an easier time way back when, but times have changed and now companies want degrees and experience and the only way to get experience is through internships during college. You can take my word for it at this poitn or you can continue to ignore it, your choice, but I personally went through it in the last decade.