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The Progressive Legacy

Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2012 2:13 pm
by Jccarlton
A century of stupid meddling and four years of "you didn't build that":
http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/arch ... to-believe
After the Obots have finished their Cloward Pliven Ainsky Strategy, Is there going to be anything left?

Re: The Progressive Legacy

Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2012 8:38 pm
by MSimon
Jccarlton wrote:A century of stupid meddling and four years of "you didn't build that":
http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/arch ... to-believe
After the Obots have finished their Cloward Pliven Ainsky Strategy, Is there going to be anything left?
For people who can do technical work - yes. They are always in short supply. For the rest? It isn't looking good.

Re: The Progressive Legacy

Posted: Mon Dec 24, 2012 1:45 am
by Jccarlton
MSimon wrote:
Jccarlton wrote:A century of stupid meddling and four years of "you didn't build that":
http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/arch ... to-believe
After the Obots have finished their Cloward Pliven Ainsky Strategy, Is there going to be anything left?
For people who can do technical work - yes. They are always in short supply. For the rest? It isn't looking good.
Considering my recent "restructured" status that is a good thing.

Re: The Progressive Legacy

Posted: Mon Dec 24, 2012 4:47 am
by DeltaV
MSimon wrote:For people who can do technical work - yes. They are always in short supply.
That's only true when US employers restrict their search to US citizens. Which they stopped doing decades ago. The lowest bidder always wins. And there are billions of them. You get what you pay for (sheesh, I'm starting to sound like a unionista). Look what the Harvard Business School/McNamara zombies have driven me to. To them, engineers are commodities to be used and discarded. I'm going in Tom Ligon's direction - pay me for what I know, just like you would a doctor, lawyer, accountant, or any other independent expert.

Re: The Progressive Legacy

Posted: Mon Dec 24, 2012 5:13 am
by Jccarlton
DeltaV wrote:
MSimon wrote:For people who can do technical work - yes. They are always in short supply.
That's only true when US employers restrict their search to US citizens. Which they stopped doing decades ago. The lowest bidder always wins. And there are billions of them. You get what you pay for (sheesh, I'm starting to sound like a unionista). Look what the Harvard Business School/McNamara zombies have driven me to. To them, engineers are commodities to be used and discarded. I'm going in Tom Ligon's direction - pay me for what I know, just like you would a doctor, lawyer, accountant, or any other independent expert.
You know, considering the results, I have to think that Hrvard MBAs are the worst aste of space, time and money in any company. All they teach in the Ivy Covered Snob Factories is butt kissin and cronyism and people expect innovation and creativity. From personal experience, that's just not going to happen.

Posted: Mon Dec 24, 2012 3:43 pm
by DeltaV
Non-commanded, spur of the moment innovation and creativity are actually discouraged in the bigger companies, because there is no management algorithm to deal with such. It upsets the business plan.

Posted: Mon Dec 24, 2012 11:22 pm
by Jccarlton
DeltaV wrote:Non-commanded, spur of the moment innovation and creativity are actually discouraged in the bigger companies, because there is no management algorithm to deal with such. It upsets the business plan.
Been there, just got restructured out of that.

Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2012 12:34 am
by hanelyp
Going to get much worse if the communist and thief occupier of the whitehouse gets his way: http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/spe ... 91133.html

Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2012 1:49 am
by Jccarlton
hanelyp wrote:Going to get much worse if the communist and thief occupier of the whitehouse gets his way: http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/spe ... 91133.html
And just where, pray tell is all that money supposed to come from?
http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/12/ ... nding.html
The harsh reality is that is not enough money on the planet to pay for that spending.

Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2012 2:46 am
by choff
The current strategy is, print it like crazy, give it to the banks in return for bad debt, then borrow it back at higher rates of interest.

Re: The Progressive Legacy

Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2012 8:22 am
by MSimon
DeltaV wrote:
MSimon wrote:For people who can do technical work - yes. They are always in short supply.
That's only true when US employers restrict their search to US citizens. Which they stopped doing decades ago. The lowest bidder always wins. And there are billions of them. You get what you pay for (sheesh, I'm starting to sound like a unionista). Look what the Harvard Business School/McNamara zombies have driven me to. To them, engineers are commodities to be used and discarded. I'm going in Tom Ligon's direction - pay me for what I know, just like you would a doctor, lawyer, accountant, or any other independent expert.
I have been a freelancer my whole career. I always got paid for what I knew.

Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2012 5:20 pm
by mvanwink5
Clearly strategic improvements that lead to breakthroughs in productions is not understood. Often it is too expensive to make improvements wholesale, but the improvements can be made on maintenance cycles. It is the plant engineers on staff that understand where these strategic improvements can be made, whereas the managers are the least likely to be able to tell what is a strategic improvement and what is not due to linear thinking.

Such engineering expertise is lost in the contracting view of engineers.

Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2012 5:35 pm
by mvanwink5
Here is a good book to get you started; it is a classic because the understanding in it is fundamental. I am not speaking academically here, I am speaking from 2 decades of successful application in a plant, on a large scale, where hundreds of millions in cash were generated from such strategic improvements, as well as the saving of a hundred high paid jobs.

http://books.google.com/books/about/Out ... 15eDlOPgoC

Best regards

Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 1:19 pm
by Jccarlton
mvanwink5 wrote:Here is a good book to get you started; it is a classic because the understanding in it is fundamental. I am not speaking academically here, I am speaking from 2 decades of successful application in a plant, on a large scale, where hundreds of millions in cash were generated from such strategic improvements, as well as the saving of a hundred high paid jobs.

http://books.google.com/books/about/Out ... 15eDlOPgoC

Best regards
The problem for me isn't reading Deming, or for that matter any of the excellent books on statistical quality control and long term planning. While I don't own this book, yet,( I think, unfortunatley most of my nonfiction on business management is in the garage, in bins) I've managed to accumulate and read an incredible library of stuff on how well run companies operate. The problem is that knowing how you should do things and mental flexibility are in short supply in the Ivy Covered Snob Factory produced MBA's that seem to be on the fast track in big companies. Case in point, my last company has an internal website called the "connect portal". One of the features is the leadership blogs where company leaders posted stuff occasianly. One posting was "thoughts on quality" where one of the leaders discussed a focus group on quality management. If you are doing focus groups talking about quality, you don't ubnderstand the problem.

Re: The Progressive Legacy

Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2012 12:00 pm
by TDPerk
DeltaV wrote:You get what you pay for (sheesh, I'm starting to sound like a unionista).
My only experience with unions is that you can't get what you pay for out of them, and that every last one of them is a violent crook or ready to sponge off the fact unions harbor violent crooks.

I look for the union label, when I find it, I don't buy it.

Right to work should go nationwide.