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MSimon wrote:

Same thing. Argumentum ad populum. An Engineer knows better, or ought to.

"Same thing. Argumentum ad populum. An Engineer knows better, or ought to."

An Engineer would deal with problem. Pot use is not the problem, misbehavior is the problem.

Criminalize misbehavior, which is only what is harm to another and their property. Smoking a spliff is not merely not necessarily either, it is rarely either.

Prohibition is a misuse of resources entirely contrary to the principles of good engineering.

TDPerk wrote:"Same thing. Argumentum ad populum. An Engineer knows better, or ought to."

An Engineer would deal with problem. Pot use is not the problem, misbehavior is the problem.

Criminalize misbehavior, which is only what is harm to another and their property. Smoking a spliff is not merely not necessarily either, it is rarely either.

Prohibition is a misuse of resources entirely contrary to the principles of good engineering.

There is a bit of wisdom in the methods of an old British General which might be applicable to this topic. If I recall properly, during one situation in which the British forces had invaded France, the Order to retreat was given. Seeing the men form ranks and begin marching while they were under gunfire, an officer inquired of the commander if it might be more prudent to order the men to run.

The General replied (and I paraphrase) "If the men be once permitted to run, it will be impossible to induce them to stop. "


Now let us suppose that there are those people who would stop at pot. If they are the sizable majority of the population, then there likely would be no serious problem with making it legal. But there are those people who can't stop. If this group is small enough we will live with it in the manner we live with the 75,000 deaths per year from Alcohol, or the 443,000 deaths per year from Tobacco.

The Psychiatrists quoted above, seems to think the gateway aspect of Marijuana usage will result in too many people becoming addicted to other things.

Is he right? I don't know, but currently my presumption is that he is.

You're saying he's right in supporting legalization despite the dangers he perceives?

You can use the same argument to outlaw anything.

Teahive wrote:You're saying he's right in supporting legalization despite the dangers he perceives?

I'm saying he is right about the dangers he perceives. His reasons for supporting legalization are not related to the dangers he sees from pot usage, but are instead regarding his perception that society is demanding it.

He apparently believes you should give children the toy which they are insisting on having.

"He apparently believes you should give children the toy which they are insisting on having."

That Diogenes sincerely confuses children and adults tells you everything you need to know about his politics. In 1775 he'd by a royalist.

Today, here's merely excuselessly and unconstitutionally authoritarian.

"The Psychiatrists quoted above, seems to think the gateway aspect of Marijuana usage will result in too many people becoming addicted to other things. "

The Psychiatrist is obviously wrong, since the expensive and failed Prohibition means anyone including the young can get whatever they want without any concerned adult oversight, and yet only a vanishingly small number are addicted.

Of course before December 1914 in America there was no need to stop. Heroin had been legal over the counter for over two decades without a societal collapse.

And cannabis prohibition wasn't even imagined. Now if the prohibitionists had stopped with opiates and cocaine, prohibition might be popular to this day. But they overreached. They went after a drug that was less harmful than alcohol and which had been used as medicine - including in America - for at least 5,000 years.

Well once the population caught on to the lies about cannabis they started getting the notion that what ever else the government was saying about drugs might be lies too.

It goes back to the principle of not being able to trust a liar in anything. False in one, false in all.

So the whole edifice is collapsing from a lie. And from those participating in the lie.

It is now so bad that state legislatures are rushing to get ahead of the parade.

http://reason.com/blog/2012/11/14/state ... and-and-ma

http://www.oregonlive.com/opinion/index ... ake_u.html

So what do I expect politically? Given the nature of the Republican Party they will get killed on this issue in the 2016 Presidential election. Certainly it will hurt them in the 2014 midterms. The Democrats take advantage of opportunities. Judging by the states now considering legislative legalization.

You can see it coming. And the Republicans of course are too stupid to get in front of the issue - as I have been suggesting for years - in order to prevent a Democrat resurgence.

Too funny. Hilarious.

But I will be getting my revenge for the years of derision I have suffered. What I have predicted will come to pass. The country will be turned socialist. All because the Republicans couldn't handle liberty. The Democrats pulled the same trick in 1932 with alcohol prohibition and FDR. It is not like my Republican friends didn't have the play telegraphed to them and hand delivered engraved 80+ years in advance. How stupid do you have to be to avoid reading history? Very.

Some of my Republican friends should study what the Republicans of December 1914 had to say about the Harrison Narcotics Act during the debate on it. They were men and Constitutionalists. Nothing like the cowering infants living in fear running the Party today.

Living in fear does that to you. You enable the very thing you fear by not facing your fears and kicking them to the ground.

Gonna be fun to watch. The screams will be music to my ears.

And it all could have been prevented. That is the most delicious thing.

But the socialists will not get off easy either. They are already out of other people's money. There is no more income to steal. So they will be going after capital. Too funny.

Police say:

Legalize:

http://youtu.be/cjDvcngwykk

My retired Detective friend was ecstatic when the results from Colorado came in

http://www.citizensopposingprohibition. ... -2-9-2012/

http://www.coloradoconnection.com/news/ ... JvGD-RLVtk

He and I did an Internet (by e-mail) victory dance when the results came in.

BTW it is now generally (although not universally) recognized that alcohol is the #1 gateway drug.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/08/22/y ... arijuanas/