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Is this another kind of SWATTING? Reason didn't mention the politics of the family involved, but you have to wonder.
http://reason.com/blog/2012/09/19/illin ... minutes-be

The Drug War is an excuse for a police state. And Diogenes thinks it is doing something about the availability of drugs. Well drugs do make people stupid.

Sh!ts getting unreal and completely out of control now. I'm so glad I live in South Korea and not the USA.

The really messed up part is those swat members KNEW the house is safe or they wouldn't of busted in there like that. How hard would it be for gang members to booby trap a front door. Little bit of det cord around the door frame with an internal metal fence that drops once the HE blows. Makes for an easy turkey shoot. Have the whole thing rigged so that if you don't push a button on the way in it'll detonate.

Doing that whole bust and smash will just get them killed should they run into any real gang members.

MSimon wrote:The Drug War is an excuse for a police state. And Diogenes thinks it is doing something about the availability of drugs. Well drugs do make people stupid.

What kind of State does China have? A police state. How did they get it? They legalized drugs.

Nuff said.

Jccarlton wrote:Is this another kind of SWATTING? Reason didn't mention the politics of the family involved, but you have to wonder.
http://reason.com/blog/2012/09/19/illin ... minutes-be

This is why I strongly believe that ALL drugs should be immediately legalized.

Diogenes wrote:

MSimon wrote:The Drug War is an excuse for a police state. And Diogenes thinks it is doing something about the availability of drugs. Well drugs do make people stupid.

What kind of State does China have? A police state. How did they get it? They legalized drugs.

Nuff said.

What kind of state does America have? A police state. How did they get it? They illegalized drugs.

So I take it that drugs are like a wompom

http://www.nyanko.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/ ... ompom.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivf4w3r-_3c

There is nothing they cannot do.

I'd say the latest poll numbers give a 50 - 50 chance that pot legalization will win in at least one state in November. And two or three more states are sure to go for med pot.

So tell me D if pot is legal what exactly will the American police state do about it? Continue to arrest people? That is exactly when you know we are far gone into police state territory. Laws no longer matter.

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BTW I do suppose you are quite comfortable with the fact that Prohibition (which turns vegetables into gold) funds the insurgency in Afghanistan.

I think of the dead American as tribute paid to prohibition. Just as alcohol prohibition got its tribute from laws.

You can do anything you want with laws except make Americans obey them.

MSimon wrote: You can do anything you want with laws except make Americans obey them.

<golf clap>

Don't entrapment laws exist anymore, how can you get a warrant only minutes after delivery of a package, and there is nothing in the story saying any real drugs were actually in the package. At the very least, if the address on the package is wrong, the possibilities for a lawsuit run wild.

Oh well, one of these days a swat team will launch a raid on a house the same time another swat team is raiding the same house unknown to each other. The carnage will be horrific, then they'll finally figure out it's gone too far.

Betruger wrote:

MSimon wrote: You can do anything you want with laws except make Americans obey them.

<golf clap>

Why thank you - attention is appreciated. Sarcastic or not.

BTW it is a take off on Talleyrand - "You can do anything you want with bayonets except sit on them."

choff wrote:Don't entrapment laws exist anymore, how can you get a warrant only minutes after delivery of a package, and there is nothing in the story saying any real drugs were actually in the package. At the very least, if the address on the package is wrong, the possibilities for a lawsuit run wild.

Oh well, one of these days a swat team will launch a raid on a house the same time another swat team is raiding the same house unknown to each other. The carnage will be horrific, then they'll finally figure out it's gone too far.

It has already happened - and been forgotten.

choff wrote:Don't entrapment laws exist anymore, how can you get a warrant only minutes after delivery of a package. . .

Odds are the USPS contacted the local police and they got their warrant before the package was delivered. They waited long enough to hope the package would be opened and prints & DNA would be found on it, but unfortunately it sounds as if the package was not delivered to the right home.

There's nothing wrong here except someone put drugs in the mail and messed up with the address. Could be, they deliberately put the wrong name to protect the recipient and they really are drug dealers.

GIThruster wrote:

choff wrote:Don't entrapment laws exist anymore, how can you get a warrant only minutes after delivery of a package. . .

Odds are the USPS contacted the local police and they got their warrant before the package was delivered. They waited long enough to hope the package would be opened and prints & DNA would be found on it, but unfortunately it sounds as if the package was not delivered to the right home.

There's nothing wrong here except someone put drugs in the mail and messed up with the address. Could be, they deliberately put the wrong name to protect the recipient and they really are drug dealers.

And suppose your government takes a dislike to you and sends you a package of drugs. Well I'm sure it can't happen here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKITpVovTAE

The only thing wrong is that there are laws against plants. How exactly do you make such a law stick? I think such laws are proof positive that drugs make people irrational.

But I get your point. Why blame the prohibition when you can put the onus on the alcohol? Such an evil drug. Known to cause brain damage, psychosis, and damage to the liver. You have to wonder why the ban didn't last.

Well the nation is coming to its senses.

Prohibitions of this sort have historically lasted about 50 years. If you take 1970 as the beginning of widespread use that gives and end date of 2020. Time is about up.

You see when you make criminals of children - the biggest users of pot - they remember it for the rest of their lives. And they WILL get their revenge.

The odds that a state will legalize pot this year are about 50 - 50 (it is on the ballot in 3 states). By 2016 I'd put the odds at near 100%. Given that the socialists are championing the move I expect ending prohibition will boost their cause. Just as it did in 1932. Well if you can't learn from history you will be forced to repeat it.

I'm enjoying the show. Especially given that prohibition is now a minority view - on the order of 30% - with 20% not sure and 50% (or near that) favoring legalization.

Lurid drug tales only scare those with no experience. And that is a dwindling cohort.

Here is a really good one:

http://www.theweedblog.com/cannabis-com ... ts-cancer/

What happens when enough non-users twig to the fact that prohibition may have helped kill a loved one because the medicine was illegal?

They will quietly or loudly vote against prohibition.

Arkansas and Mass. will have it (med pot) on the ballot in 2012.

And Connecticut passed such a bill this year through the regular legislative process.

http://medicalmarijuana.procon.org/view ... eID=002481

It would be ironic in the extreme if Romney lost his home state because of med pot - which is favored by 70% to 80% of all Americans old enough to vote.

you see Romney has this little problem:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNv7lY-ZhKA

Common sense would dictate that before you go charging through the door on somebodies home you do routine background checks on all occupants and at least 3 days worth of surveillance. You definitely make sure you have the right address, and if there's kids living there wait until they're at school. Ideally you wait until nobodies home and you detain people on the street where its safe. Noise and confusion in the dark are a recipe for tragedy, especially with guns.

MSimon wrote:

Diogenes wrote:

MSimon wrote:The Drug War is an excuse for a police state. And Diogenes thinks it is doing something about the availability of drugs. Well drugs do make people stupid.

What kind of State does China have? A police state. How did they get it? They legalized drugs.

Nuff said.

What kind of state does America have? A police state. How did they get it? They illegalized drugs.

I didn't think you would give a serious answer. Of course your answer implies an obvious conclusion. You prefer their version of the police state over "ours."

Their police state outlawed drugs too, and with much stiffer penalties.