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Was reading an online book about the federal reserve by Antony C. Sutton and came upon some interesting history about Communism. It seems that Marx's Manifesto is a poor copy of a book published five years before by a Frenchman named Victor Considerant.

Sutton found this information in a book on Socialist History by a Russian writer last name Tcherkesoff, and when you read what the Russian has to say, it makes out Marx and Engels not only as copyists but in reality enemy agents for the very ruling classes they supposedly wished to depose. Their Manifesto was financed by banks in America and Prussian aristocrats and secret police. They cared not for the condition of the poor, mainly to destroy the middle class while retaining an elite.

The war against Communism (evil to be sure) is Hegelian in its function.

Thesis - Communism
Antithesis - Capitalism (a term made up by the Communists BTW)
Synthesis - Police State (authoritarianism) - the first cut at this was State Capitalism in Germany 1933 - '45.

We have the kinder gentler version (for now) in America. We do not have a choice of vision in November. Just a choice of implementers.

Considerant believed in proportional representation and direct democracy, actually spent time in America at LaReunion Texas. Everything Marx and Engels supposedly discovered had been written by Socialists in other European countries years before. Marx never hesitated to denouce the other writers for plagiarizing.
Marx's wife was the sister of the Prussian secret police section that dealt with suppressing revolutionaries, was provided with a maid by her family and a nice inheritance. He was employed by American newspaperrs to write over 500 articles. No freedom of speech in his home country, no assembly without a police presence.
Marx and Engels spent a lot of time denouncing popular uprisings in Europe and other Socialist writers, very clearly working for the other side.

Was reading an online book about the federal reserve by Antony C. Sutton and came upon some interesting history about Communism. It seems that Marx's Manifesto is a poor copy of a book published five years before by a Frenchman named Victor Considerant.

Who cares, it is all bullshit anyway?
Whoever wrote this based his ideas on outdated knowledge and even what was not outdated at the time has long been disproven by modern science.

choff wrote:Was reading an online book about the federal reserve by Antony C. Sutton and came upon some interesting history about Communism. It seems that Marx's Manifesto is a poor copy of a book published five years before by a Frenchman named Victor Considerant.

"Good writers borrow from other writers. Great writers steal from them outright."
- Sam Seaborn, "The West Wing," S4E1

MSimon wrote:Synthesis - Police State (authoritarianism) - the first cut at this was State Capitalism in Germany 1933 - '45.

No. The first cut at that was the various War Socialism economies of WW1.

choff wrote:Was reading an online book about the federal reserve by Antony C. Sutton and came upon some interesting history about Communism. It seems that Marx's Manifesto is a poor copy of a book published five years before by a Frenchman named Victor Considerant.

Sutton found this information in a book on Socialist History by a Russian writer last name Tcherkesoff, and when you read what the Russian has to say, it makes out Marx and Engels not only as copyists but in reality enemy agents for the very ruling classes they supposedly wished to depose. Their Manifesto was financed by banks in America and Prussian aristocrats and secret police. They cared not for the condition of the poor, mainly to destroy the middle class while retaining an elite.

Someone who's comments I have read in the past said it best. In 1776, our founders created a new form of government. Ever since, the supporters of monarchy have been attempting to re-impose it.


Communism is nothing but Monarchy/Aristocracy by a different name.

The most interesting thing I read in all this, was that the pirate Jean Lafitte lived on to be a courier for the American bankers that funded Marx and Engels.