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Take note of what is said at the bottom of those signs. I see no way to make peace with demons such as this.

hanelyp wrote:http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2012 ... -The-Earth

Take note of what is said at the bottom of those signs. I see no way to make peace with demons such as this.

I can't wait to see skipjack explain to them that secularism is better.

http://www.libertarianrepublican.net/20 ... s-for.html

http://www.libertarianrepublican.net/20 ... lamic.html

http://www.libertarianrepublican.net/20 ... o-you.html

http://www.libertarianrepublican.net/20 ... itish.html

http://www.libertarianrepublican.net/20 ... -kony.html

http://www.libertarianrepublican.net/20 ... enage.html

http://www.libertarianrepublican.net/20 ... -from.html

http://www.libertarianrepublican.net/20 ... on-to.html

http://www.libertarianrepublican.net/20 ... rious.html

The Christian Democrats of America (Republicans) have given them a big opening by mingling religion with state.

Set a precedent and people will drive trucks through it.

I can't wait to see skipjack explain to them that secularism is better.

I am sure that those in their country (who even may be the majority) that do not share the opinions presented in these posters desparately wish for a secular country.
I also do believe that the picture is a fake (but I may be wrong on that).
It sure does look odd.

The Christian Democrats of America (Republicans) have given them a big opening by mingling religion with state.
Set a precedent and people will drive trucks through it.

Exactly!

I am sure that those in their country (who even may be the majority) that do not share the opinions presented in these posters desparately wish for a secular country.

You are correct about that. But they are not a majority. They are mostly a minority or a small minority. What keeps it that way is that you can get killed by expressing yourself on the issue especially if you are considered an apostate.

But they are not a majority. They are mostly a minority or a small minority. What keeps it that way is that you can get killed by expressing yourself on the issue especially if you are considered an apostate.

You cant know what people really think. The vast majority of the population does not join the mob in the streets for protests like that (unless they are more or less forced to attend). That does not mean that all of those that dont join are in disagreement, but I think that a good part of them are. No matter what population you look at, the vast majority just wants to get by and does not want to risk their lives and those of their families for a battle that they have very little chance of winning.
They will rather decide to sit it out and hope for better times.

And it is not just Europe - it is America too. This is a Congress critter no less:

http://www.mrctv.org/videos/indiana-con ... -madrassas

It fits in right well with those fools who think Christianity should be taught in public schools. Or at the very least prayer. You open that door and these crap mongers will drive a caravan of trucks through it.

Our Christian Democrats think they have the best of intentions forgetting that they are setting precedent. So let me tell my Christian Democrats how it feels to be Jewish and forced to attend "prayer meetings" in the public schools. Terrible. By age 5 or 7 I had lost all respect for our Christian Democrat friends. I carry vestiges of that disrespect today. Can you tell?

So let me ask: what is the point of making enemies by not giving consideration to others who may feel differently about "the One True Religion". I don't like being sold anything at the point of a gun. Is ObamaCare waking you fools up? If not why?

You want people to come to you? Best that they come willingly. As far as my understanding of Christianity goes Jesus never said - "if they won't accept my message put them to the sword." he said "high tail it out of there and go find a more receptive place."

Now be a real Christian and apply that message to all phases of living. Set an example. Give up your love for government guns lest the guns someday be applied to you.

That does not mean that all of those that dont join are in disagreement, but I think that a good part of them are.

No matter what population you look at, the vast majority just wants to get by and does not want to risk their lives and those of their families for a battle that they have very little chance of winning.

They will rather decide to sit it out and hope for better times.

That was my point. Sorry I wasn't clearer.

In a Christian Country (as our friends tell us at every turn) those who disagree should be left alone. And it doesn't matter what they disagree about. Jesus never said Lord it over (subjugate) people. He said - entice them.

The most Christian Christians I ever met (while working at a defense contractor) practiced Judaism. It was interesting discussing their Passover services with them. They felt that to properly get in touch with Jesus they had to practice His religion. That attitude has a LOT to commend it IMO.

Judaism has very strict rules against proselytizing. You can't just want to become a Jew. You have to want it bad because we are told to discourage those who want to join at every turn. We must tell them all the disadvantages. First and always. It is not a club. It is serious business. What does that get us? People will not be joining because every one else is doing it. Thus we get strong adherents because it is what they want mind, body, and soul. Strength vs mass.

The most Christian Christians I ever met (while working at a defense contractor) practiced Judaism. It was interesting discussing their Passover services with them. They felt that to properly get in touch with Jesus they had to practice His religion. That attitude has a LOT to commend it IMO.

My grandmother was like that. She traveled to Israel many times and wore a star of David as a pendant on her necklace, even though she was a christian. She had nothing but love and respect for the jewish people though.

I didn't realize that Christians were allowed to convert to Judaism, thought it was only allowed through intermarriage. My understanding is that a lot of Muslims in both Europe and Iran(secretly) are converting to Christianity.

choff wrote:I didn't realize that Christians were allowed to convert to Judaism, thought it was only allowed through intermarriage. My understanding is that a lot of Muslims in both Europe and Iran(secretly) are converting to Christianity.

Anyone can convert. The rule is that they must be discouraged. The First Mate is a convert. I told her I would be willing to raise children Buddhist or Jewish but I was not going to become a Christian. She was not too happy with being a Christian and thought hat culturally children in America would have the hardest time as Buddhists so Jewish it was.

hanelyp wrote: Take note of what is said at the bottom of those signs. I see no way to make peace with idiots such as this.

IMO

Idiocy is Man's modern and near-future bane.

MSimon wrote:The Christian Democrats of America (Republicans) have given them a big opening by mingling religion with state.

Simon, it was baked into the cake. It is a recent fabrication that the founders were not explicitly Christian, and when they used the word "religion" they meant "Denomination" by today's standards.


The Fact that many states maintained Official State religions for many years after the Constitution was written and ratified ought to be the only proof a reasonable person should require that there was an EXPLICIT favoritism for the Christian religion which was so pervasive that they never thought to remark on it.


Those of you who wish to believe the nation was secular in 1787 are just fooling yourselves. The History doesn't agree with you.

MSimon wrote:
Set a precedent and people will drive trucks through it.

It isn't a "precedent" except for the fact people are incorrectly interpreting our history and our laws. There is no safeguard against idiots,centuries later, getting into power and misinterpreting what you said and intended.

MSimon wrote:And it is not just Europe - it is America too. This is a Congress critter no less:

http://www.mrctv.org/videos/indiana-con ... -madrassas

It fits in right well with those fools who think Christianity should be taught in public schools. Or at the very least prayer. You open that door and these crap mongers will drive a caravan of trucks through it.

That particular door was open till the 1960s. Nearly two hundred years of that door being opened with nary a problem such as you suggest.

You yourself know very well how long that door was opened because you detailed your mother's persecution at the hands of school officials attempting to "Christianize" her.

Do not now come along and pretend that it wasn't a consistent part of U.S. History since before the Nation was founded. Indeed, during much of our history, many of the public schools were even founded and ran by clergy, with explicitly Christian instruction.

The Notion that a State has a right to impose whatever religion it sees fit was also baked into the cake as demonstrated by the fact that many states had done so prior, and continued to do so after, the creation and ratification of our governing document.

State Religions were not inconsistent with the U.S. Constitution. You may not like it, but that is the truth.

MSimon wrote: Our Christian Democrats think they have the best of intentions forgetting that they are setting precedent. So let me tell my Christian Democrats how it feels to be Jewish and forced to attend "prayer meetings" in the public schools. Terrible. By age 5 or 7 I had lost all respect for our Christian Democrat friends. I carry vestiges of that disrespect today. Can you tell?

And here you even admit that it was legal and a common practice during your child hood. So what's this about letting the door open? It was ALWAYS open. It is only a recent phenomena that people have been working to close it.

Now whether or not it was a good policy or not is a separate question. It has obviously left a lot of animosity among people for whom it was an outrage, and I have little doubt that the persistent animosity among Jews towards Republicans is mostly the result of their legacy of Christian persecution through the public school system, because the Republicans have so much support from the evangelical types.

It's a payback for past injuries. Unfortunately, it also happens to be a cut off your nose to spite your face sort of thing. The funny thing is, the orthodox have forgiven and vote Republican routinely. They know what is the bigger priority in this long standing conflict with socialism.

MSimon wrote:
So let me ask: what is the point of making enemies by not giving consideration to others who may feel differently about "the One True Religion".

Easy enough to understand. Those people at that time felt that the only thing which mattered was that they spread "the word." No other consequence was important to them because they simply lacked the ability to see any significance in it. (As you seemingly do with my China argument.)

MSimon wrote: I don't like being sold anything at the point of a gun. Is ObamaCare waking you fools up? If not why?

You want people to come to you? Best that they come willingly. As far as my understanding of Christianity goes Jesus never said - "if they won't accept my message put them to the sword." he said "high tail it out of there and go find a more receptive place."

Now be a real Christian and apply that message to all phases of living. Set an example. Give up your love for government guns lest the guns someday be applied to you.

Government, is by definition, those people who decide things with guns. As George Will is fond of saying: "The first duty of government is to establish and maintain a monopoly on the use of violence."

Government guns are going to be the means by which laws are enforced. Give up the notion that it will be done in any other fashion because that is the very heart and soul of what is government.

The onus is upon us to make sure that the laws which are backed up with government guns are fair and just laws, and in the best interest of society.