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300 Mexicans Killed By F&F

Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2012 9:08 am
by MSimon
50,000 killed by Prohibition.

Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 4:09 pm
by MSimon
At: http://www.gunvaluesboard.com/interview ... s-772.html

I discuss why gunners don't see Drug Prohibition as a threat.

Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 5:25 pm
by Skipjack
Funny detail on gun laws:

Despite the NRA's warning that Obama would be the worst president ever on gun control, the only actual gun control actions he took were Lifting bans on guns that Bush put in place (in parks and Amtrak stations).

Romney on the other hand, said he was a lifelong hunter (which wasn't true), and added a fee to gun permits that raised their cost 400% in Massachusetts. A 'tax hike on gun owners', as Gingrich called it.

Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 7:47 pm
by MSimon
Politicians are slime. All of them.

As my graddpappy used to say: "They are ALL crooks"

Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 7:52 pm
by Skipjack
Your grandpappy was a very wise man, Simon :)

Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 8:56 pm
by williatw
Skipjack wrote:Funny detail on gun laws:

Despite the NRA's warning that Obama would be the worst president ever on gun control, the only actual gun control actions he took were Lifting bans on guns that Bush put in place (in parks and Amtrak stations).

Romney on the other hand, said he was a lifelong hunter (which wasn't true), and added a fee to gun permits that raised their cost 400% in Massachusetts. A 'tax hike on gun owners', as Gingrich called it.
Not surprising...after all the conservative god Reagan wasn't much for gun rights either. As gov of california signed one of the most restrictive gun laws at the time and as ex-pres supported the Brady bill. The truth of the matter is most Dem politicians seem to support gun control, and most Republicans politicians do too just somewhat less than dems do (when nobody is looking.) As the public in the US has rightly turned against gun control many republicans are trying to postion themselves as pro guns all along. Governments period don't like the idea of citizens(serfs/subjects) having guns, never really has never really will.

Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 8:58 pm
by williatw
MSimon wrote:At: http://www.gunvaluesboard.com/interview ... s-772.html

I discuss why gunners don't see Drug Prohibition as a threat.
The original gun control laws that were passed in the South after the slaves were freed only were intended to disarm free blacks. They weren't seen as a threat by white gun owners at the time either. Of course they eventually became the architect of those later laws passed by those who wanted to disarm everybody.

Re: 300 Mexicans Killed By F&F

Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 10:12 pm
by djolds1
MSimon wrote:50,000 killed by Prohibition.
El zilch killed at the Watergate Hotel.

Re: 300 Mexicans Killed By F&F

Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 1:21 am
by MSimon
djolds1 wrote:
MSimon wrote:50,000 killed by Prohibition.
El zilch killed at the Watergate Hotel.
Since Nixon declared War On Drugs and ramped up what until then was a relatively minor government program, can we then attribute to him the 50K to 100K Americans killed in the Drug War since then plus the 100K+ Mexicans. And the Colombians. etc?

Milton Friedman thought so.

The Drug War as a Socialist Enterprise by Milton Friedman

Re: 300 Mexicans Killed By F&F

Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 2:44 am
by djolds1
MSimon wrote:
djolds1 wrote:
MSimon wrote:50,000 killed by Prohibition.
El zilch killed at the Watergate Hotel.
Since Nixon declared War On Drugs and ramped up what until then was a relatively minor government program, can we then attribute to him the 50K to 100K Americans killed in the Drug War since then plus the 100K+ Mexicans. And the Colombians. etc?

Milton Friedman thought so.

The Drug War as a Socialist Enterprise by Milton Friedman
The comparison is respective scandals, not the Meta-Trends of two generations.

Yes, the War on Some Drugs (WoSD) is an idiot endeavor; yet still it remains.

Re: 300 Mexicans Killed By F&F

Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 2:54 am
by MSimon
djolds1 wrote:
MSimon wrote:
djolds1 wrote:El zilch killed at the Watergate Hotel.
Since Nixon declared War On Drugs and ramped up what until then was a relatively minor government program, can we then attribute to him the 50K to 100K Americans killed in the Drug War since then plus the 100K+ Mexicans. And the Colombians. etc?

Milton Friedman thought so.

The Drug War as a Socialist Enterprise by Milton Friedman
The comparison is respective scandals, not the Meta-Trends of two generations.

Yes, the War on Some Drugs (WoSD) is an idiot endeavor; yet still it remains.
Ah. But Nixon was involved in both scandals. In one as the victim in the other he was foundational.

Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 7:07 am
by Skipjack
The truth of the matter is most Dem politicians seem to support gun control, and most Republicans politicians do too just somewhat less than dems do (when nobody is looking.) As the public in the US has rightly turned against gun control many republicans are trying to postion themselves as pro guns all along. Governments period don't like the idea of citizens(serfs/subjects) having guns, never really has never really will.
In Texas, they voted AGAINST the NRA-backed candidate in College Station, because the NRA endorsed a Democrat. Most of the conservatives in that town allegedly didn't know who the NRA was backing, they just assumed it was the Republican.