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Bloomberg: It's our job to improve your health
Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 12:12 pm
by MSimon
From:
http://times247.com/articles/bloomberg- ... our-health
Are you prohibitionists starting to catch on to the dangers of the Drug War mentality?
Evidently there is no limit to the improvement of your life government thugs with guns can provide.
Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 4:01 pm
by Skipjack
I think that Bloomberg is taking things waaaay to far. I am not in favor of legalizing hard drugs due to historic evidence about their dangers to society, but the way they have been handling food related issues, especially sugar is going way to far. It is good to have a public campaign to educate people about the dangers, maybe even have warning labels. But forcing this on people is just plain unfair, especially since it also hits people that have perfect control over their body weight.
Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 5:00 pm
by MSimon
I am not in favor of legalizing hard drugs due to historic evidence about their dangers to society,
In America those drugs were totally legal for something like 125 years while America was prospering. (1790 to 1914 if we do not count the British period) We never got into the situation China did despite the liberty to use those drugs. Franklin used opium for 20 years - kidney stones. At the time it was totally unremarkable. Opium gardens were not uncommon in colonial America.
What is that historic evidence again?
Right now the chemists are making analogs faster than they can be outlawed. What happens when the biotech boys design yeast to turn the stuff out? Just add sugar, water, and some nutrients. How will you stop that?
Look at what has happened to psilocybin which is more or less made by yeast (mushrooms).
http://www.shroomery.org/8438/How-to-Gr ... -Mushrooms
http://www.erowid.org/plants/mushrooms/ ... mmgg.shtml
http://www.magic-mushrooms.net/growing. ... 9tkoMUUOME
http://www.thehawkseye.com/
http://www.rollitup.org/hallucinatory-s ... rooms.html
http://www.thesporedepot.com/
As far as I know the regular drug distributors (outlaw gangs) don't sell the mushrooms because the freelancers are so prolific.
We might as well get used to the stuff because it is not going away. BTW Portugal showed that legalizing the stuff REDUCES general use AND the prevalence of AIDS. Funny how that works. So tell me again why you are into maintaining current use rates?
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So what does it take to churn out magic mushrooms? About $50 to $100 in eqpt and a regular supply of brown rice. So are we going to outlaw pressure cookers and brown rice? Anti-bacteria soap? Rubbing alcohol? Canning jars?
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I think a police state might be able to make some serious inroads. But who wants that?
Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 5:17 pm
by MSimon
From:
http://www.drugsense.org/dpfca/DrugWarCentennial1.htm
Most Americans have now forgotten that drugs were legal for most of the nation's history. At the turn of the last century, Americans could generally buy cocaine, morphine, or heroin over the counter at most any pharmacy. That situation began to change one hundred ago, when a combination of evangelical prohibitionists and Progressive era reformers mounted a successful campaign for federal anti-narcotics legislation.
The movement toward prohibition was not precipitated by any crisis in narcotics use or abuse; indeed, drug use was on the decline by the early 1900s [1]. Nor was it fueled by any widespread public demand for narcotics control; newspapers of the day record far greater interest in alcohol prohibition. Rather, it was initiated by a small but committed band of prohibitionist Protestant missionaries in response to America's colonial venture in the Philippines following the Spanish-American War.
Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 5:26 pm
by MSimon
Skipjack,
BTW what makes you think prohibited means unavailable? Gangs are less regulated than pharmacies.
Prohibited means more available.
It amazes me that so many smart people are fooled by words.