A Precedent For Tyranny

[MSimon]

Some Stories from the Front - links at the link
http://classicalvalues.com/2012/05/coll ... your-life/

In a story that would be touching in the ordinary context, an 88 year old man and his 85 year old girlfriend built a portable water purification business from a dream to a reality. Nothing wrong there; such things are supposed to be part of the American Dream.

But now, their business is being ruined by one of the most unaccountable and tyrannical bureaucracies in the history of government, the DEA

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I suppose I could ask just what provision of the Constitution gives the DEA the power to shut down dealers in iodine. After all, I ask these questions all the time.

To no avail. We are no longer governed, but we are ruled. This government is monstrous. It no longer resembles what the founders envisioned, and very few people care. Those who do are ridiculed as cranks.

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And I don’t just mean asserting the power to regulate anything it wants. One of the hallmarks of tyranny is the detention of citizens without a hearing.

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Got that? The DEA held a suspect for five days and nearly tortured him to death. This is the United States?

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And how about the severely injured woman who, after surgery for a shattered knee cap, went to the drug store to fill a perfectly legitimate pain killer prescription, and found herself hauled away:

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Never mind that it was another bureaucratic mistake. This severely injured woman spent the night in jail. After she was finally released on bond, she was charged with a felony.

The DEA, of course, is behind this racket too. They have unconstitutionally delegated to themselves authority to regulate every prescription for every controlled substance sold in every pharmacy in the United States, and as Radley Balko explains in his analysis of the case, pharmacists and doctors live in terror of them:

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My turn:

They are bringing in tyranny in the guise of prohibition and are using that to set precedent. Then it will be your turn.

First they came for......

You know how it works.

But as Diogenes says - Prohibition is objectively correct. If you just look at things his way.

[Jccarlton]

Some Stories from the Front - links at the link
http://classicalvalues.com/2012/05/coll ... your-life/

In a story that would be touching in the ordinary context, an 88 year old man and his 85 year old girlfriend built a portable water purification business from a dream to a reality. Nothing wrong there; such things are supposed to be part of the American Dream.

But now, their business is being ruined by one of the most unaccountable and tyrannical bureaucracies in the history of government, the DEA

<snip>

I suppose I could ask just what provision of the Constitution gives the DEA the power to shut down dealers in iodine. After all, I ask these questions all the time.

To no avail. We are no longer governed, but we are ruled. This government is monstrous. It no longer resembles what the founders envisioned, and very few people care. Those who do are ridiculed as cranks.

=======

And I don’t just mean asserting the power to regulate anything it wants. One of the hallmarks of tyranny is the detention of citizens without a hearing.

<snip>

Got that? The DEA held a suspect for five days and nearly tortured him to death. This is the United States?

=======

And how about the severely injured woman who, after surgery for a shattered knee cap, went to the drug store to fill a perfectly legitimate pain killer prescription, and found herself hauled away:

<snip>

Never mind that it was another bureaucratic mistake. This severely injured woman spent the night in jail. After she was finally released on bond, she was charged with a felony.

The DEA, of course, is behind this racket too. They have unconstitutionally delegated to themselves authority to regulate every prescription for every controlled substance sold in every pharmacy in the United States, and as Radley Balko explains in his analysis of the case, pharmacists and doctors live in terror of them:

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My turn:

They are bringing in tyranny in the guise of prohibition and are using that to set precedent. Then it will be your turn.

First they came for......

You know how it works.

But as Diogenes says - Prohibition is objectively correct. If you just look at things his way.

The thing is, if you go down this trail far enough just about anything can be touched by drug activity. It's just so easy to harass those who can't fight back. Meanwhile the drugs dealers are right on the streets with no regulation at all, people die due to drugs made with no quality control and getting the help they need and society as a whole slides further into the abyss.

[choff]

More here.

http://www.madcowprod.com/2012/05/08/sa ... ty-secret/

[Diogenes]

More here.

http://www.madcowprod.com/2012/05/08/sa ... ty-secret/

My take on this is that federal agents in the DEA are just as competent as they are in the ATF or the TSA and it really has nothing to do with what is their law enforcement mandate.

[KitemanSA]

But as Diogenes says - Prohibition is objectively correct. If you just look at things his way.

Or else!!

[Diogenes]

But as Diogenes says - Prohibition is objectively correct. If you just look at things his way.

Or else!!

Yes yes, you don't like my Burkean philosophy, but surely you could come up with a better comeback than that?

[Tom Ligon]

Well, if you do want to pursue Prohibition, go after the moonshiners, not the people who make copper tubing.

The system of enlisting the general population to rat on each other worked pretty well for the Soviets for a while.

[choff]

In this case, you have to go straight after the political protection, and what you'll find is a lot of crooked banksters as well as politicians. It helps kill two birds with one stone, the people wrecking the economy, and the major drug kingpins.

[MSimon]

I believe Obama intends to peel off enough Ron Paul supporters by coming out against Prohibition in October to win the election.

http://classicalvalues.com/2012/05/does ... r-victory/

Swing voters are not too happy with the anti-gay marriage talk from the right after Obama's recent announcement.

I believe his "legalization is not the answer" statement was a feint. After all about 2/3rds of Americans say Prohibition is not working and about 1/2 are ready for legalization.

I see 1932 in 2012. Ah. Well.

Another thing I see is intense hatred by conservatives for the libertarian right. The Ron Paul supporters will not be too hard to peel given that conservative would like to peel them anyway.

It is not called the stupid Party for nothing.

I think as usual we will get what we deserve. Good and hard.

[MSimon]

choff,

Ah. I see you have studied the matter deeply. A C. A. Fitts fan?

[Tom Ligon]

All this makes for interesting discussion but I doubt it changes many votes.

The Clinton campaign pretty much nailed it. "Its the economy, stupid."

[choff]

Yes, Solari did a nice report on Guernsey Islands banking system. We had a related system of printing fiat currency in Canada from 1938 to 1974, that is until international finance used subtefuge too put a stop to it.
Tom, check out Bill Still, he's talked about nothing else but the economy since forever, and he's running for high office.

[Diogenes]

Well, if you do want to pursue Prohibition, go after the moonshiners, not the people who make copper tubing.

The system of enlisting the general population to rat on each other worked pretty well for the Soviets for a while.

"Prohibition" means different things to different people. It could be said that the nation has a "prohibition" on murder, and a "prohibition" on theft, or robbery.

There is certainly a "prohibition" on Nuclear material being easily obtainable, and there is a "prohibition" about certain dangerous chemicals or pathogens being freely available. Explosives are prohibited to non-licensed people.

Non-Insane people believe that various prohibitions for various reasons are reasonable, and they do not get into a major FREAK-OUT when something gets "prohibited" for cause, or otherwise regulated.

Drivers licenses for underage people are "prohibited."

Big whoop.

[Diogenes]

All this makes for interesting discussion but I doubt it changes many votes.

The Clinton campaign pretty much nailed it. "Its the economy, stupid."

I have to disagree. It was "the economy" in 1992 because that was the only thing the Democrat Media forces could come up with to use against George H.W. Bush. I distinctly recall how much effort they poured into talking down the economy for months leading up to the election.

I never missed ABC World News Tonight at 5:30 Central, and I couldn't count how many times they would show shuttered factories, people standing in unemployment lines, and every bankruptcy which occurred in the last year, all while putting insinuations into their broadcasts implying that it was "Bush's fault."

The Union Democrat media were intentionally propagandizing their broadcasts to CREATE the illusion that the Economy was in Horrible shape. It was not, but if you keep enough bad economic news in front of the Public, the public will get the idea that it *IS* bad.

I still remember the day after the election in November of 1992, Peter Jennings announced "It's a MIRACLE!" Electing Bill Clinton had HEALED the economy retroactively all the way back to march of 92!

No, the truth is those lying Democrat B@stards who are the employees of the National Media and Entertainment corporations, all decided that George H.W. Bush needed to Go, and so they made the news into the tool of their goals.

It wasn't a "conspiracy", it was a case of like minded people using their positions of influence to steer the public in the direction they preferred for them to go.

It was only "The Economy Stupid" because that was how the Media was steering the public mind. Reagan knew how to shove it up their bum and break it off, and that's why their crap didn't work on him.

[Tom Ligon]

Diogenes,

Watch this election. I think, and hope, the Republicans took plenty of notes on that.