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Israel's Peres warns attack on Iran getting 'closer' .

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Please Stop the WAR.

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These following informations were adapted from the BBC News website.


First: Since the establishment of the International Atomic Energy Agency - the year 1956 -Iran became a member. Iran in 1970 signed a treaty banning the promotion of nuclear weapons. Iran is under IAEA investigation since 1993. But Israel is not a member of the agency, not a signatory to the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty. International organization never can inspect Israel's nuclear facilities.

Secondly: It is said that Israel has nuclear bombs about two hundred, but Israeli and American officials say that Iran “may” achieve nuclear bomb in the future. It’s very easy to understand that ever Iran with “a bomb” could not go to war in Israel that has “two hundred nuclear bombs”.

So far this is the Israeli government that does not recognize the international communities and coerces all countries. How?

Israel says all Middle Eastern governments should be organized under the international agencies and extremely intensive inspections, but we're the exception. We have the right of Israel to have nuclear weapons, but other regional governments even have not right to enrich uranium. Do these "discriminations" and "special rights" come from where? Why does US government support Israel to coerce for several hundred million people in the region?

Israel and its fanatical supporters, with a claim, justify these discriminations and special rights. This is the claim; only Israel is in danger of being attacked, not the other regional governments. That is why Israel should have nuclear weapons. However, several points should be noted about this claim:

1- Military attack and occupation; Iran not only during the twentieth century, has not made attacked any country, but itself were attacked by other regional country, which killed and wounded more than a million Iranians and loss of a trillion dollars. But the Israeli government was created by occupation of Palestinian territories in 1948. Government drove Palestinians out of their homes and deprived them of their basic rights.

Israel claims to be a state. The modern states are defined with the national boundaries. The question is: Where are Israel's geographic boundaries? The Israeli government does not accept any boundaries as international boundaries. According to the UN General Assembly Resolution 181 - which was recognized by the Israeli government, forty-five percent of Palestine belongs to Palestinians. Fifty-four percent of Palestine was transferred to Israel and the remaining one percentage is considered as an international zone. Israel goes not under this legislation. Rejection of this legislation is meant to reject Israel's existence, because this legislation leaded to international presence of Israeli government. Israel in 1967 war decreased the amount of land available to Palestinians to twenty-two percent. So far, Israel has occupied seventy-eight percent of Palestinian territories. In the next step, Israel proceeded to the settlements for zions in the rest of occupied territories. On the other hand, two to three million Palestinians are living in occupied territories that are not considered citizens. Unfortunately they have no passports and other citizenship rights.
According to the agreement of America, Russia, Europe and the United Nations, should be formed an Independent Palestinian state alongside the Israel. Israeli government does not accept it in any way and will, over time, the issue of occupied territories to be forgotten.
Israel attacked and bombed Iraq and Syria's nuclear facilities in the past.

In fact, the State of Israel, under various pretexts, rapes to other countries. If crime is to have nuclear facilities, Israel has uncontrolled nuclear facility. If crime is going to pursue nuclear weapons, Israel has hundreds of nuclear bombs.

2- Committing war crimes: the Iranian government has not been charged or convicted yet, by the UN Human Rights Council as "war crimes" or "crime against humanity". But the Israeli government by the UN Human Rights Council as "war crimes" In the Gaza has been condemned.

3- The issue of terrorism: The Israeli government has been assassinated a large number of Palestinians inside and outside Palestine. An example of this adventure was injection of poison into Khalid Mashaal in 1997. To the narrative an Irish- Australian journalist who has recounted in his book, President Bill Clinton pressing the Israeli government finally delivered the antidote. In another case, was assassinated in Qatar with a European passport. Foreign Minister of Britain expelled one of Israeli diplomats from Great Britain, because a dozen counterfeit passports, for the killing of Hamas leader. Israel's assassinations of Iranian researchers are quite clear now.

Conclusion: Please Stop the WAR

Thus, the Israeli government, which has been based on occupation, has continued survival with "terror" and "war crimes”. Israel does not accept four-party agreement between Russia, America, Europe Union and the United Nations until that land owners have a very small part of its territory. Now, Israel wants a military attack to Iran with the false pretext.

One of the great hopes for the Polywell is the elimination of all economic motivations for war and crime. That would only leave sex and religion as the main drivers for conflict. Advances in robotics by the Japanese should rule out sex as a conflict driver, (think Helen of Troy).

One of the things you need to look at regarding the conflict in Palestine is where the Jews actually came from. Of the six million, half came from Arab Muslim countries, mainly in or about 1948. Two million came from the Soviet block after the 1973 war. The Soviet Communists wanted to show support for the Arab cause by driving them out, even though a lot of them were Jews in last name only, non religious for two generations. Of the remaining million, approx. half are descended from Nazi survivors. The rest were always living there.

So, the question is, under what circumstances did the Jewish population of the Arab world leave for the Palestine, and when the Soviets persecuted out the Jews to the Palestine, why didn't someone in the Arab world say something to them, that this was a huge mistake that would exacerbate the problem.

Of course, you could just get a clue and accept that the Jews have an historic right to Palestine. You could recognize that they are surrounded by enemies many of which are sworn to their genocide and you could recognize that Iran is crazy as a loon. Mutually Assured Destruction only works as a defense between two sensible parties. It will not work with theocracies made up of insane Mullah's bent on bringing the end of the world.

Israel doesn't have much choice. If they don't strike first, as they did with Syria years ago, Iran is going to obliterate them.

GIThruster wrote:Of course, you could just get a clue and accept that the Jews have an historic right to Palestine. You could recognize that they are surrounded by enemies many of which are sworn to their genocide and you could recognize that Iran is crazy as a loon. Mutually Assured Destruction only works as a defense between two sensible parties. It will not work with theocracies made up of insane Mullah's bent on bringing the end of the world.

Israel doesn't have much choice. If they don't strike first, as they did with Syria years ago, Iran is going to obliterate them.

In the case of Rome and Iran's claim that 90 percent of the world historically belongs to them. But this attitude is simply not true. They never did that claim.

Iran during the twentieth century, has not made attacked any country. Also the Iranian government has not been charged or convicted yet, by the UN Human Rights Council as "war crimes" or "crime against humanity". But the Israeli government has been condemned by the UN Human Rights Council as "war crimes" In the Gaza.

Aslan, I think that your plead would have a lot more weight, if your idiot president had not made certain statements in the past that shed a -maybe- wrong light on your country and countrymen.
If you guys were to get rid of him and the other religious madmen in your country, I am sure that the rest of the world would give you their assistance.
Maybe a little revolution is in order in your country?

Of course, you could just get a clue and accept that the Jews have an historic right to Palestine.

This argument is a slippery slope. Almost everybody has a "historic right" to everything depending on how far you go back in time...
If we were talking like that, you guys would have to hand back your country to the few remaining native americans, you know.

I think that seeking justification for anything in the past (especially the distant past) is not a good idea.
The fact is that the jewish people are there. They are real people, families, hard working, they have built an existance for themselves on this land and they have achieved great things. Israel is a better place because of what the jewish people built there.
Another fact is that the palestinians are there and they are living there as well. They too are often hard working real people with families that want to build an existance for themselves.
So this is the CURRENT situation. Wise leaders will let go of what was and some virtual entitlements they see for themselves in the past in order to build a consens acceptable for both parties.
This is of course very difficult to achieve, because there are people that do have a real (political) interest in maintaining the conflict and keeping their people focused on the past. They rally the mob with strong words and emotional speeches.
I call the BS card on all of them.
What the situation in this part of the world needs is ration and pragmatism and people that teach these things to the general public living there.
I think that most people living in this area dont give a crap about some entitlements from god knows when ago. They just want to do their work and raise their families in peace. But politicians and religious leaders keep firing up the flames and no matter what side you are on, a father that has lost a child one way or the other is an easy recruit for either side.

I think that what this situation needs is deescalation. Take the wind out of the waves of those that call for war on both sides by proofing them wrong.
Of course that requires a will and for them to have the best interests of their people in mind. Having had a glimpse of how the politics work on this planet, this is usually not the case.

Aslan,

FWIW I'm Jewish and have great admiration for the Persian people. We have a certain Queen in common.

From far away here in America it looks to me like your country was taken over in '79 by Arabs (in mentality any way) and that has darkened relations between Persia and the rest of the world.

When Iran becomes Persia again I expect much brighter days.

In the mean time I'll do what I can to help you with Polywell.

Skipjack wrote:Aslan, I think that your plead would have a lot more weight....

In my (the above) text, there is no lying or hyperbolical. I assure you that everything has been said, the real comparison is between Iran and Israel on the BBC. Please read the text more carefully again. In addition, anywhere in the world, this opinion, as an interim president is not relevant.

Msimon, you are touching on something, that I have been trying to say before (met some resistance from people here though).
There is a motion going on to build a single big arab/muslim nation in the region. You can read that inbetween the lines when you look at the politics in the region from a larger perspective. Your statement that Iran was taken over by Arabs is IMHO very close to the truth.
Good post in general. Love the olive branch in regards to helping with Polywell!

Aslan wrote:

GIThruster wrote:Of course, you could just get a clue and accept that the Jews have an historic right to Palestine. You could recognize that they are surrounded by enemies many of which are sworn to their genocide and you could recognize that Iran is crazy as a loon. Mutually Assured Destruction only works as a defense between two sensible parties. It will not work with theocracies made up of insane Mullah's bent on bringing the end of the world.

Israel doesn't have much choice. If they don't strike first, as they did with Syria years ago, Iran is going to obliterate them.

In the case of Rome and Iran's claim that 90 percent of the world historically belongs to them. But this attitude is simply not true. They never did that claim.

Iran during the twentieth century, has not made attacked any country. Also the Iranian government has not been charged or convicted yet, by the UN Human Rights Council as "war crimes" or "crime against humanity". But the Israeli government has been condemned by the UN Human Rights Council as "war crimes" In the Gaza.

This is disingenuous. Iran is making war by proxy. Gaza being a case in point. Syria/Lebanon another.

As to the UN Human Rights Council - a joke in a bigger joke. To cite them for anything but propaganda makes the joke on you.

The UN is 2/3rds a collection of dictatorships. And it shows.

MSimon wrote:Aslan,

FWIW I'm Jewish and have great admiration for the Persian people. We have a certain Queen in common.

Dear MSimon I really like the Jews, and I give them a certain respect. But the Zionists begin war.
I think Zionists and Jewish are different.
The following link was my reference. unfortunately it is BBC persian.
long url

Aslan, why do you think that your people should fight a war that is not yours? The jewish people never attacked Iran (not yet anyway). They are pretty far away from you too. Why do you think Iran has to get involved in this conflict? What do you think can be gained from having yet another party involved in a conflict that already involves way to many parties?
This is a conflict between the Palestinians and the Jewish people. You are not in the position to get involved, nor will you help anyone by getting involved.
Your leaders are simply using this conflict as a means to cause emotions among the Iranian people. Unfortunately elections are rarely won with arguments of pragmatism and reason, but with emotions.
Your leaders dont give a darn about the conflict there. They simply are using it as a tool for their own power games and propaganda.

Skipjack wrote:Aslan, why do you think that your people should fight a war that is not ..........................

I do not agree with the occupation anywhere in the world. Finally, we're humans and we have human emotions.
Our leaders, just in their words are criticism of the occupation by the Zionists. This is not a good reason for war.
Be sure everyone in the world hate of bullying.

MSimon wrote:This is disingenuous. Iran is making war by proxy. Gaza being a case in point. Syria/Lebanon another.
As to the UN Human Rights Council - a joke in a bigger joke. To cite them for anything but propaganda makes the joke on you.
The UN is 2/3rds a collection of dictatorships. And it shows.

Iran did not start the war in Gaza and Lebanon. From the numbers 22 and 33 can be understood that Zionism began the war.

Aslan wrote:everyone in the world hate of bullying

Everyone but the bullies.

Iran's leadership, by their declarations, seem a bit too sure of their superior moral position. If combined with no allergies to using violence that's dangerous.

The eternal lie: "the end justifies the means".

You can't undo an injustice with another, only thing you obtain is a higher level of unfairness.