Talk-Polywell.org

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hd1UbSPx-E

Read the description for context as this isn't a shot at Ron Paul, he was just asked the question. Is the crowd's view the GOP view or the Tea Party View?

ScottL wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hd1UbSPx-E

Read the description for context as this isn't a shot at Ron Paul, he was just asked the question. Is the crowd's view the GOP view or the Tea Party View?

It wasn't anyone's "view"; it was somebody in the crowd taking a shot at Ron Paul.

Unless, of course, it was Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel in the crowd.

Or any top official of the UK's NHS, but I didn't hear an accent.

ScottL wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hd1UbSPx-E

Read the description for context as this isn't a shot at Ron Paul, he was just asked the question. Is the crowd's view the GOP view or the Tea Party View?

Let him die? Well Socialists eventually come to the same conclusion. The only difference is they waste a mountain of other people's money before they finally get there.

I believe there should be some sort of safety net for indigents, but it should not be something that indulges their own bad decisions.

It wasn't anyone's "view"; it was somebody in the crowd taking a shot at Ron Paul.

If by somebody you mean a crowd and if by a shot at Ron Paul, you mean answering for him which is not his opinon. The crowd was not a crowd of "bleeding heart liberals" just to clarify and that's a lot more than 1 voice.

I believe there should be some sort of safety net for indigents, but it should not be something that indulges their own bad decisions.

Agreed. This is a single example and doesn't address when an uninsured child has an accident. I don't think people think beyond themselves a lot of time. Perhaps some sort of policy covering children until adulthood should've been made as they are our future...etc.

Oooh, yeah, alternative healthcare?
Quackery! Thats what I call it! Quackery!
So he is for legalizing quacks, selling snake oil to sick people, ultimately killing them? Good idea! What a smart person! Definitely material for president!

US GDP spending on health care has gone from an uncompetitive 14% to a debilitating 17% and is projected to hit a lethal 19%. A reasonable goal would be a reduction to 12%, that would still be highest in the western world and contribute $ 700 billion to debt reduction, all the while providing universal health care.
Tort reform, an end to defensive medicine, a generic drug program, emphasis on preventative medicine and prenatal/neonatal care, and less emphasis on equipment would all help.

Skipjack wrote:Oooh, yeah, alternative healthcare?
Quackery! Thats what I call it! Quackery!
So he is for legalizing quacks, selling snake oil to sick people, ultimately killing them? Good idea! What a smart person! Definitely material for president!

Please explain the difference between regular medicine and quackery:

http://classicalvalues.com/2011/09/vete ... nadequate/

choff wrote:US GDP spending on health care has gone from an uncompetitive 14% to a debilitating 17% and is projected to hit a lethal 19%. A reasonable goal would be a reduction to 12%, that would still be highest in the western world and contribute $ 700 billion to debt reduction, all the while providing universal health care.
Tort reform, an end to defensive medicine, a generic drug program, emphasis on preventative medicine and prenatal/neonatal care, and less emphasis on equipment would all help.

And the food budget for the average household in the US went from 30% around 1920 to under 10% today. Proof positive that Americans are starving.

Say maybe that other 20% went into health care.

In the early 70s, before government got into healthcare heavily, medical costs were rising at an unsustainable 5% a year.

Now that the government is more heavily involved the costs are rising at a much more manageable 10% a year.

Proof positive that taxes, laws, and regulations can fix anything.

Skipjack wrote:Oooh, yeah, alternative healthcare?
Quackery! Thats what I call it! Quackery!
So he is for legalizing quacks, selling snake oil to sick people, ultimately killing them? Good idea! What a smart person! Definitely material for president!

Member of the AMA are you?

MSimon wrote:In the early 70s, ...unsustainable 5% a year.
Now ...a much more manageable 10% a year.
Proof positive that taxes, laws, and regulations can fix anything.

Good one!

Please explain the difference between regular medicine and quackery:

Real medicine: Years and years of clinical trials in several separate and independent clinics arround the globe. Reviews by institutions like the FDA. Studies that cost millions and criteria that are not easy to fulfill. Personally I think that they are going a bit overboard with this, but it definitely makes for a serious and huge difference compared to...
Quackery: some moron that claims he knows the truth.

In the early 70s, before government got into healthcare heavily, medical costs were rising at an unsustainable 5% a year.

Now that the government is more heavily involved the costs are rising at a much more manageable 10% a year.

Proof positive that taxes, laws, and regulations can fix anything.

Well, you guys are definitely doing something wrong. Because you are paying at least 50% more than the rest of the civilized world for your healthcare without getting that much more benefits.
Of course your system works differently: Star cancer surgeons fly their private helicopter to surgeries and leave the lymph nodes in, because "the patient did not pay for that, even though he had been advised about it before surgery", probably because their private health insurance does not pay for it, if they had any at all...
Meanwhile the patient already has a lawyer lined up for a class action lawsuit to sue the bageezus out of the surgeon, the hospital and anybody else who is even remotely involved, so he can get his money back that he never had to pay for the treatment anyway.
Talk about an efficient system!
Of course all that crap causes the public to loose trust into the health system and look for remedies elsewhere. This causes otherwise not that stupid people like our Msimon here to talk absolute BS out of his butt, when confronted with the topic of school medicine versus quackery.
Again, talk about an oh so efficient system.

I would be curious to what extent Americans purchase illegal drugs for pain relief because brand name prescription medication is financially out of reach in comparison. Perhaps this is a major driver of the drug war.

I would be curious to what extent Americans purchase illegal drugs for pain relief because brand name prescription medication is financially out of reach in comparison. Perhaps this is a major driver of the drug war.

I dont think that you can obtain illegal drugs easier than legal ones. I think it is more a matter of not having a prescription and/or not being able to pay for the doctor to prescribe the drug because of a lack of insurance or a lack of coverage.