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Political "Science", ignoring reality

Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 3:48 am
by Jccarlton
Obama's EPA ignores science when considering regulations. For instance, the laws of thermodynamics:

http://floppingaces.net/2011/09/08/epa- ... eader-post

Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 10:52 am
by Skipjack
The EPA writes and enforces its regulations that are based on laws passed by the Congress.
Congress != Obama
Just had to point that out.

Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 7:39 pm
by Scupperer
Skipjack wrote:
The EPA writes and enforces its regulations that are based on laws passed by the Congress.
Congress != Obama
Just had to point that out.
EPA = Obama

The EPA is a creature of the WH and is now creating and enforcing regulations that have not been approved by congress, and even in direct contradiction to congress - the CO2 crap being one of those.

http://blog.heritage.org/2011/06/02/sen ... -property/

Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 7:54 pm
by Skipjack
article posted by Jccarlton wrote:The EPA writes and enforces its regulations that are based on laws passed by the Congress.

Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 9:39 pm
by Scupperer
Skipjack wrote:
article posted by Jccarlton wrote:The EPA writes and enforces its regulations that are based on laws passed by the Congress.
Reality differs. Repetition doesn't change that.

Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 2:15 am
by Jccarlton
Skipjack wrote:
The EPA writes and enforces its regulations that are based on laws passed by the Congress.
Congress != Obama
Just had to point that out.
Under the curent Administration the EPA has basically twisted those laws into pretzels and served them right up to their cronys. This is how they operate.

Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 2:59 am
by Axil
The Obama administations is attempting to appease Big Oil and other special interests who are against public health protections and would cost could cost up to $90 billion annually in 2020 according to a study. In the same analysis a projected health benefits as high as $100 billion annually through reduced asthma and other respiratory ailments, avoided hospital visits and other benefits.


The surprise White House decision Friday to shelve tougher smog regulations may not allow President Obama to breathe easier politically.

Kevin Book, an analyst with the consulting firm ClearView Energy Partners, believes Obama’s ozone decision could be politically helpful to the White House.

“The first thing the Obama administration gains is the ability to say, ‘Look, I identified the most expensive regulation and I eliminated it,’” Book said.

“He is never going to get Republican votes for loosening environmental standards, but he could get independent votes by showing flexibility on fiscal issues,” Book said.

But the White House retreat on the ozone battered a green movement that’s already getting less than it hoped for under the Obama administration, despite wins on increased vehicle efficiency and some other policies.

Obama’s decision to overrule the EPA is nonetheless a victory for an array of major business groups — such as the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, the National Association of Manufacturers and the American Petroleum Institute — that took their case against the ozone rule directly to White House chief of staff Bill Daley.

National Association of Manufacturers CEO Jay Timmons praised the ozone retreat as “the right move to protect jobs.”

Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 11:41 am
by Jccarlton
Axil wrote:The Obama administations is attempting to appease Big Oil and other special interests who are against public health protections and would cost could cost up to $90 billion annually in 2020 according to a study. In the same analysis a projected health benefits as high as $100 billion annually through reduced asthma and other respiratory ailments, avoided hospital visits and other benefits.


The surprise White House decision Friday to shelve tougher smog regulations may not allow President Obama to breathe easier politically.

Kevin Book, an analyst with the consulting firm ClearView Energy Partners, believes Obama’s ozone decision could be politically helpful to the White House.

“The first thing the Obama administration gains is the ability to say, ‘Look, I identified the most expensive regulation and I eliminated it,’” Book said.

“He is never going to get Republican votes for loosening environmental standards, but he could get independent votes by showing flexibility on fiscal issues,” Book said.

But the White House retreat on the ozone battered a green movement that’s already getting less than it hoped for under the Obama administration, despite wins on increased vehicle efficiency and some other policies.

Obama’s decision to overrule the EPA is nonetheless a victory for an array of major business groups — such as the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, the National Association of Manufacturers and the American Petroleum Institute — that took their case against the ozone rule directly to White House chief of staff Bill Daley.

National Association of Manufacturers CEO Jay Timmons praised the ozone retreat as “the right move to protect jobs.”
The only problem with that ozone regulation was that, well, there was no way to achieve it with current technology or for that matter any technology as the EPA itself admits:
http://hotair.com/greenroom/archives/20 ... one-fairy/
See thermodynamics, laws of.

Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 11:09 pm
by krenshala
Scupperer wrote:
Skipjack wrote:
article posted by Jccarlton wrote:The EPA writes and enforces its regulations that are based on laws passed by the Congress.
Reality differs. Repetition doesn't change that.
I think Skipjack missed the important part of what he quoted:
article posted by Jccarlton wrote:The EPA writes and enforces its regulations that are based on laws passed by the Congress.
I've seem plenty of crappy things in my life that were based on really good ideas. I'll be honest, I don't know if this is another one of them, but it sure sounds like it.