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http://nextbigfuture.com/2009/05/dr-ric ... f-iec.html

So when are we looking at to hear decisively about Polywell?

I thought it was concluded to be April '11?...10 days to go. How exciting!! All this time I have been waiting to hear about Polywell. I'm so glad we're gonna finally get a conclusion next month.

We being rnebel and whoever else is standing next to him when appears evidence conclusive enough.

chrismb wrote:http://nextbigfuture.com/2009/05/dr-ric ... f-iec.html

So when are we looking at to hear decisively about Polywell?

I thought it was concluded to be April '11?...10 days to go. How exciting!! All this time I have been waiting to hear about Polywell. I'm so glad we're gonna finally get a conclusion next month.

Ahh, my favorite. Sarcasm.

I think a strong case has been made they will not meet the April target. However, that said, I do not think it will be much longer after that. Say June or July, that they wrap up. Of course then we will have another round of review. But, if things look solid, I would expect the 8.1 money to get sourced quickly.

I thought it was April 30th, but that assumes the navy decides to allow publication and not take the whole thing black. If you hear absolutely nothing after then, and don't hear of rnebel and jpark doing something else, you can then speculate on a black box research project.

You can speculate to your hearts content, this project has turned black, like everything else touched by the deathly hand of a totalitarian state.

Coffee smells good this morning, what's Charlie Sheen been up to I wonder?

chrismb wrote: So when are we looking at to hear decisively about Polywell?

What mean "we" paleface?

icarus wrote:You can speculate to your hearts content, this project has turned black, like everything else touched by the deathly hand of a totalitarian state.

Coffee smells good this morning, what's Charlie Sheen been up to I wonder?

Winning, of course.

I think it is about time for a new FoI request. I did ask before [before ladajo] but balked at the demand I was sent that I agree to pay an undisclosed amount prior to them looking.

Given that ladajo avoided paying anything, I think it is safe to make the request.

Anyone else think I should? Or does anyone else want to make it?

I think we should let the WB8 Recovery Act contract play out.

D'you mean like we've let the contracts play out before, and then learned all about the work!?

Bluntly; I'm interested to hear if people would like to see an FoI go in, not if they don't want to see an FoI go in.

What's the difference in what an FoI action would return, between waiting and doing one now? And in what the use to TP readers or anyone else the returns would be?

None that I can make out. I'd ask the Navy for what experiment-derived information they have in their possession about the reasons for going ahead with the funding of WB8. EMC2 would not be involved in preparing that information, so it would not impact them at all, and what is known now is not going to change.

That is a leap. EMC2 did prepare both the WB7 & 7.1 final report and the review panel report. This is the information that ONR based the WB8 funding decision on. This is the information that they claimed was proprietary, and for sure some of it was.

I think at this point that there is nothing to be gained by not waiting out the WB8 completion. Truly, what difference will it make?
They get left in peace to finish out the testing, the review panel sits and we see if WB8.1 is funded or not.
WB8.1 funded means WB8 was a success. Not funded means it did not go well enough. Not funded means also that if it is worth pursuing, EMC2 will try to bring someone else on board to do more testing and research. And we will see that as well.
The worst thing for us, but the best for the program is that WB8 begets funding for WB8.1. I predict that at that point, it will be very hard for ONR to keep the lid on the project. It would be a defacto declaration of Polywell DD/DT viability. PB&J is another thing (WB8.1).

I fully understand that the science is interesting, and exciting. I also fully understand that others in similar research lines (Focus Fusion, Suppes, etc) are way more transparent, and thus enjoy way more support and better PR. However, I also understand that the navy/ONR remains sensitive to "Cold Fusion" type PR debacles, and public backlash to squandered tax payer dollars. Maybe they are being over sensitive, but it is what it is.

So regardless of you seeking self approval by soliciting singularly supportive comments, I remain in the give them space, patience, and let WB8 run its course mindset.

I also maintain a positive viewpoint of potential project success. I do not think it is certain to work, but I think it has a decent chance. Would I be willing to buy stock? Hard to say, but it would be a well considered and lengthy decision, and certainly not a dissmissive one. At the end I think I would, but I would limit my exposure, and think of it as a funding donation with a potential return. Never gamble with money you can't afford not to have anymore. That said, I am willing for tax payer (includign mine) money to support the project at this time, because the cost of the object is far less than its potential value from a national standpoint. I am happy to put off the bridge construction on this gamble.

Given the USN reluctance to accede to your previous FOIA request, I wonder if we should take up a collection and prepare to hire a lawyer to sue the U.S. government to follow the law.

The USN was happy to hand over the data. It was EMC2 that vetoed it going out.