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I Prefer Religions That Are Not Faith Based
Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 1:27 pm
by MSimon
mdeminico wrote:happyjack27 wrote:"evidence through observation" rule of crtical thinking is only the first thing religion immediately throws out the window.
read up on it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_thinking
the laws and teachings of most religions are diametrically opposed to critical thinking. to say religion makes ones critical thinking skills simply "weak" is an understatement.
While I strongly disagree with you on one particular religion (the one that was responsible for the foundations of modern science), I think you posted in the wrong thread
Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 2:37 pm
by Giorgio
Join me in the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster.
Free tomato sauce and parmesan cheese for everyone attending.
Lot of fun!
Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 3:46 pm
by MSimon
Giorgio wrote:Join me in the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster.
Free tomato sauce and parmesan cheese for everyone attending.
Lot of fun!
Lots of people have seen spaghetti. Same for meatballs. No one has evidence of the FSM. Nice rituals though.
What I'm thinking of is more along the lines of Buddhism. Or Judaism. In Judaism sins against God are relatively unimportant. Sins against your fellow man are the big problem and must be fixed. This is the Orthodox Judaism in which I was raised.
It is why "Jewish atheist" is not a contradiction in terms and "Christian atheist" is.
Re: I Prefer Religions That Are Not Faith Based
Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 4:08 pm
by D Tibbets
MSimon wrote:mdeminico wrote:happyjack27 wrote:"evidence through observation" rule of crtical thinking is only the first thing religion immediately throws out the window.
read up on it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_thinking
the laws and teachings of most religions are diametrically opposed to critical thinking. to say religion makes ones critical thinking skills simply "weak" is an understatement.
While I strongly disagree with you on one particular religion (the one that was responsible for the foundations of modern science), I think you posted in the wrong thread
Lets see, the ancient Greeks, with Zeus's help, set the foundations of Science. Until the Renaissance, the Muslim's were dominant in science compared to Europe. And, I have no idea what the Chinese, or Myans were doing.
Dan Tibbets
Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 5:23 pm
by necoras
Religion isn't inherently opposed to critical thinking. Quite the opposite. Religion always starts as a search for truth about the world. The problem is twofold.
One, some individual usually claims that their version of the truth is the only possible version and a lot of people join in with that. This stagnates, if it does not reverse, critical thinking and the advancement of knowledge. We see this even among scientists with claims such as "Sepsis can only come from someone showing the signs of it, so why should I wash my hands after performing an autopsy and before I deliver a baby", and "The science is settled, the Earth is warming and it's all your fault." Religion has no monopoly on blind adherence to a cause.
Two, people in power because of religions like power. They will work to keep that power, and they will crush any ideas which threaten their power. Again, we see this in politics and academia as well.
The problem is that humans are greedy and petty, not that they search for a purpose beyond themselves to follow.
But
Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 5:29 pm
by bcglorf
necoras wrote:Religion isn't inherently opposed to critical thinking. Quite the opposite. Religion always starts as a search for truth about the world. The problem is twofold.
One, some individual usually claims that their version of the truth is the only possible version and a lot of people join in with that. This stagnates, if it does not reverse, critical thinking and the advancement of knowledge. We see this even among scientists with claims such as "Sepsis can only come from someone showing the signs of it, so why should I wash my hands after performing an autopsy and before I deliver a baby", and "The science is settled, the Earth is warming and it's all your fault." Religion has no monopoly on blind adherence to a cause.
Two, people in power because of religions like power. They will work to keep that power, and they will crush any ideas which threaten their power. Again, we see this in politics and academia as well.
The problem is that humans are greedy and petty, not that they search for a purpose beyond themselves to follow.
True, but I'd add a corollary. Humans will ignore long explanations, like yours, that are odds with their existing beliefs and merrily carry on their way.
Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 5:45 pm
by necoras
@bcglorf
Heh, no argument there.
Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 6:51 pm
by Giorgio
MSimon wrote:No one has evidence of the FSM. Nice rituals though.
If you need evidence is not anymore a religion
Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 7:32 pm
by necoras
@Giorgio
That's not true. The point of miracles is to provide evidence of a god to its believers. Also, see Thomas:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doubting_Thomas
Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 9:18 pm
by Betruger
Miracles are supernatural. By principle they are not rational evidence.
Re: I Prefer Religions That Are Not Faith Based
Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 9:23 pm
by happyjack27
MSimon wrote:mdeminico wrote:happyjack27 wrote:"evidence through observation" rule of crtical thinking is only the first thing religion immediately throws out the window.
read up on it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_thinking
the laws and teachings of most religions are diametrically opposed to critical thinking. to say religion makes ones critical thinking skills simply "weak" is an understatement.
While I strongly disagree with you on one particular religion (the one that was responsible for the foundations of modern science), I think you posted in the wrong thread
i believe here he is referring (ironically) to the religon responsible for condemning -- even imprisoning -- many famous scientists as heretics.
but we all know pastafarianism is the true origin of rational thought. after all, it is the pastafarians who discovered that the decrease in pirates is the true cause of global warming.
Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 11:37 pm
by Giorgio
You can't prove miracle nor god existance more than I can disprove it, so this discussion will really go nowhere.
Apart from the above, my two previous posts were supposed to be ironic.
I am not a beliver of any religion, especially if it requires brainless acceptance of their dogma.