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This Sucks.
Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 7:11 pm
by Diogenes
We have all been patiently waiting for news from EMC2. What little bit we get seemingly has to be pried out like a tooth with a pair of pliers. The discussion in theory has been moribund (nothing new or interesting) for a long time in my opinion, and the discussion in general has been much like playing solitaire. It's something to do while waiting. The news items occasionally offer a temporary respite from boredom, and some interesting new issues have taken root there, but it is becoming apparent to me, that for the purpose that this Website was intending to serve, it seems to have "jumped the shark."
This sucks!
(And not in a good way.

) We all know it sucks, but as of yet, we haven't got the foggiest notion how to stop it from sucking. I can't say I feel betrayed, (though I sorta do) because the guys actually WORKING on the project never promised to provide us what we need to carry on the discussion further. (Experimental Data, as opposed to theoretical speculation.) Some of the guys have figured out ways to get their attention a bit, (FOIA) but the results have been less than whelming. There was a brief bit of hope that the guys in Australia would push this thing a little further down the road, but I haven't seen anything from them for awhile. And while I wish Famulus all the luck, I would be surprised to see any new information coming from that direction either.
Maybe we should go to Santa Fe and protest or something.

At this point, i'd be for it. Maybe a little news publicity would shake loose some actual information?
I don't know. Anybody else got any other ideas?
End of rant.
Posted: Thu Aug 26, 2010 3:03 am
by ladajo
Patience is a virtue...

Posted: Thu Aug 26, 2010 6:26 am
by Giorgio
We will probably know more from the coming IEC conferences.
I'll agree with you that it sucks that all the major info we got in the last couple of years come from those conferences, but like ladajo says, patience is a virtue....
Posted: Thu Aug 26, 2010 3:41 pm
by Diogenes
Giorgio wrote:We will probably know more from the coming IEC conferences.
I'll agree with you that it sucks that all the major info we got in the last couple of years come from those conferences, but like ladajo says, patience is a virtue....
I think this is my first complaint about the lack of new information. I feel entitled to at least one.
Anyway, while i've got your attention, I just wanted to say I'm a huge Roberto Benigni Fan, and I buy any movie that he plays in. I currently own "Johnny Stecchino", "Il Mostro", "Life is Beautiful", "Night on Earth", and "Coffee and Cigarettes".
I haven't seen "Pinocchio", "Fellini: I'm a born liar", "The Tiger and the Snow", Or "Down by Law". Do you know if they're any good? I'm going to get them anyway, I just thought i'd ask which one I should get first.
At any rate, one of the funniest skits i've ever seen in my life is Benigni playing the cab driver in "Night on Earth." For those of you who might not have seen it, it is well worth watching.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCKxro6s ... re=related
Posted: Thu Aug 26, 2010 4:15 pm
by chrismb
Is a "Roberto Benigni Fan" the thing blowing your hair back in the picture?
gee..... point of the thread well and truly made!
If anyone is still interested in fusion, I suggest you can go to my list of 'all experimental methods' and either pick one and research it to hell and tell us all about it, or see if there are any new ones to add...
...just a suggestion to keep the wheel turning.
Posted: Thu Aug 26, 2010 4:43 pm
by Giorgio
Diogenes wrote:Anyway, while i've got your attention, I just wanted to say I'm a huge Roberto Benigni Fan, and I buy any movie that he plays in. I currently own "Johnny Stecchino", "Il Mostro", "Life is Beautiful", "Night on Earth", and "Coffee and Cigarettes".
I haven't seen "Pinocchio", "Fellini: I'm a born liar", "The Tiger and the Snow", Or "Down by Law". Do you know if they're any good? I'm going to get them anyway, I just thought i'd ask which one I should get first.
I think you have already seen the best.
"Down by law" is probably the best of what you are still missing, followed by "Pinocchio", "Fellini: I'm born liar" and "The Tiger and the Snow".
"Night on Earth" was funny, but my preferred one is "The monster", I saw it in English too but it is only one tenth funny than it is in Italian
If you want to learn Italian let me know, at least we might have something to do while we wait for spring 2011

Posted: Thu Aug 26, 2010 5:03 pm
by Diogenes
chrismb wrote:Is a "Roberto Benigni Fan" the thing blowing your hair back in the picture?
gee..... point of the thread well and truly made!
If anyone is still interested in fusion, I suggest you can go to my list of 'all experimental methods' and either pick one and research it to hell and tell us all about it, or see if there are any new ones to add...
...just a suggestion to keep the wheel turning.
Thread drift is a serious problem around here!
I'll check it out. I wonder what happened to Art Carlson?
Posted: Thu Aug 26, 2010 5:32 pm
by Diogenes
Giorgio wrote:Diogenes wrote:Anyway, while i've got your attention, I just wanted to say I'm a huge Roberto Benigni Fan, and I buy any movie that he plays in. I currently own "Johnny Stecchino", "Il Mostro", "Life is Beautiful", "Night on Earth", and "Coffee and Cigarettes".
I haven't seen "Pinocchio", "Fellini: I'm a born liar", "The Tiger and the Snow", Or "Down by Law". Do you know if they're any good? I'm going to get them anyway, I just thought i'd ask which one I should get first.
I think you have already seen the best.
"Down by law" is probably the best of what you are still missing, followed by "Pinocchio", "Fellini: I'm born liar" and "The Tiger and the Snow".
"Night on Earth" was funny, but my preferred one is "The monster", I saw it in English too but it is only one tenth funny than it is in Italian

It was pretty funny in English. I count it as one of the best comedys i've ever seen. Sight gags usually don't need translation. At least we didn't have to watch it in Chinese, except for that little bit.
Giorgio wrote:
If you want to learn Italian let me know, at least we might have something to do while we wait for spring 2011

Thanks for the info. You are probably right about me being able to learn Italian before we get any more information if the past is any indication of the future.

As for learning Italian, I am trying to pick up as much of it as I can by listening to movies. A lot of words make sense to me if I can hear them slowly enough, no doubt due to the huge Latin influence on English. I've noticed the same phenomenon in French movies. My family finds it annoying when I insist on listening to the native language when we watch foreign movies. They prefer the Dubbed English versions. Fortunately, i'm the boss and I get what I want!
I am often amazed at the degree of utility with the English language demonstrated by you and Skipjack. Most of the time it never occurs to anyone that you both aren't native speakers. Sometimes Just for fun, When debating things with Skipjack I would intentionally use peculiar and obscure words just to screw with him.

If he noticed, he didn't let on.
Posted: Thu Aug 26, 2010 6:03 pm
by chrismb
Diogenes wrote:I wonder what happened to Art Carlson?
He, like me, got bored with the silly unfounded make-it-up-as-you-like physics, so we both said to T-P we'd stop wasting our time.
Clearly, he is more consistent than I am on that and I waste too much time on fruitless stuff. I get drawn back in, ever so often, whenever anyone mentions my previous remarks. It is some misguided sense that I have over feeling honour-bound to better explain anything I did not do clearly in the first place.
Posted: Thu Aug 26, 2010 6:14 pm
by Diogenes
chrismb wrote:Diogenes wrote:I wonder what happened to Art Carlson?
He, like me, got bored with the silly unfounded make-it-up-as-you-like physics, so we both said to T-P we'd stop wasting our time.
Clearly, he is more consistent than I am on that and I waste too much time on fruitless stuff. I get drawn back in, ever so often, whenever anyone mentions my previous remarks. It is some misguided sense that I have over feeling honour-bound to better explain anything I did not do clearly in the first place.
I used to follow his (and your criticisms) intently, but at one point it looked like people were just rehashing the same old arguments. It looked to me, that no further progress could occur without some experimental results to tell us whether one theory or another was workable or complete bullshit.
I have still yet to understand why Art shouldn't be right regarding recirculation not working. It looks like the plasma should leak right out of those holes, but I hold out the possibility that some poorly understood mechanism somehow prevents it. Obviously Nebel appears to believe the idea will work, and he has a better view of the issues than any of us.
Perhaps if some new information comes out, he may rejoin the discussion later.
Posted: Thu Aug 26, 2010 6:41 pm
by CaptainBeowulf
Well we could all just go away and come back whenever new data is released. Some online fora are like that - you'll see little activity for years in between bursts of discussion.
I can only conclude that people here like talking to each other, despite not having anything to say concerning the main subject. Guess what guys... apparently we became a community!
Posted: Thu Aug 26, 2010 8:57 pm
by Giorgio
Diogenes wrote:I am often amazed at the degree of utility with the English language demonstrated by you and Skipjack. Most of the time it never occurs to anyone that you both aren't native speakers. Sometimes Just for fun, When debating things with Skipjack I would intentionally use peculiar and obscure words just to screw with him.

If he noticed, he didn't let on.
Thanks

When I was younger I was lucky enough that my parents kicked me out of home and shipped me for one year in Montgomery (Alabama) as an exchange student. It was a great year and it opened my mind in many ways.
Too bad that I do not recognize anymore the US of today with the US of when I was there
Posted: Thu Aug 26, 2010 10:07 pm
by IntLibber
Giorgio wrote:Diogenes wrote:I am often amazed at the degree of utility with the English language demonstrated by you and Skipjack. Most of the time it never occurs to anyone that you both aren't native speakers. Sometimes Just for fun, When debating things with Skipjack I would intentionally use peculiar and obscure words just to screw with him.

If he noticed, he didn't let on.
Thanks

When I was younger I was lucky enough that my parents kicked me out of home and shipped me for one year in Montgomery (Alabama) as an exchange student. It was a great year and it opened my mind in many ways.
Too bad that I do not recognize anymore the US of today with the US of when I was there
How so?
Posted: Fri Aug 27, 2010 8:05 am
by Giorgio
America is scared of herself, and does not know anymore what its role is in today's world. It has been like this since the dawn of the Russian block.
Politicians, religious extremists and bureaucrats of the last 20 years (left/right/whatever) just took turns in biting away America's foundations and reducing them to what they are today.
War on drugs and war on terrorism even gave them more excuses to do so.
When I was in US I really breathed FREEDOM, all in capital letters. There was always this smell of excitement on the air that something new and better was going to happen the day after.
The government rule was: Do what you want as long as you do not mess with other people lives.
I come back in 2007 in LA for one week just to find a place where fear prevails in many aspects of daily life and where people really do not understand anymore what's going on (and I believe it is so mainly because they only listen to what their "leaders" say).
It was really painful.
Anyhow, I do not wan to transform this post in a bigger rant than what I already did. Suffice to say that I will always remember the US for what it gave me in terms of open mind when I was young, and for this same reason I prefer not to go back there until things will change.