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Once again on Next Big Future.

http://nextbigfuture.com/2010/05/revisi ... war-2.html

What I have been saying all along. Stalin would have overrun Europe hadnt the Germans attacked him first. He was already prepared to attack.
I think that it says a lot that both the western allies and Russia still dont fully open their WW2 archives to reveal everything that happened.

Skipjack wrote:Once again on Next Big Future.

http://nextbigfuture.com/2010/05/revisi ... war-2.html

What I have been saying all along. Stalin would have overrun Europe hadnt the Germans attacked him first. He was already prepared to attack.
I think that it says a lot that both the western allies and Russia still dont fully open their WW2 archives to reveal everything that happened.

what archives are not open in the west? The biggest problem is getting the whole story out of too much information, not too little. of course the devil is in the details, a couple of important ones the article you posted neglected to mention, such as the purge of the Russian officer corps by Stalin in 1940 and that the t-28 was a piece of obsolete junk by 1939:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-28
Note that the t-28's design was based on the Vickers independent, which was an upgraded Vickers medium, which dates back to the '20's. The only thing that saved Stalin was being able to tie down the Japanese in China and with the US, and the fact that Hitler was forced to delay Operation Barbarosa for a month because of the Italian Balkins screwup.

Actually none of the US WW2 archives are open, neither are the British.
Well, read the article that I linked to. It confirms everything I said before about Stalin and him planning to overrun Europe.

Skipjack wrote:Actually none of the US WW2 archives are open, neither are the British.
Well, read the article that I linked to. It confirms everything I said before about Stalin and him planning to overrun Europe.

Considering the amount of material I have seen over the years that came from those archives that's obviously not true. Now it may be that you have to set time to go to the archives and have legitimate status. But that's always the case. It also may take time to find out which archive has a particular document, or if it has been lost, but what's there is open, at least in the US, and for the most part always has been.

I heard different. They are not open to the public. That is what I mean. You can not just go and check them out. That is what I have heard. Same with most of the Russian archives (which is what this article says as well).

Skipjack wrote:I heard different. They are not open to the public. That is what I mean. You can not just go and check them out. That is what I have heard. Same with most of the Russian archives (which is what this article says as well).

Obviously, you don't know how research libraries and archives work. Unless you're Sandy Burglar you can't check out anything and nobody unauthorized has access to the stacks. For archives you need to make an appointment and arrange for time, if available. Though archives generally are glad to help if you have a legitimate research project. But there has to be some form of control in order to protect irreplaceable documents. But that doesn't mean that documents are not available. For that matter a lot of WW2 stuff is published and in private hands.

I do know that you have to make an appointment. However, they wont let you make one.

For that matter a lot of WW2 stuff is published and in private hands.

From the archives? Or what? If so, like what?

Skipjack wrote:Once again on Next Big Future.

http://nextbigfuture.com/2010/05/revisi ... war-2.html

What I have been saying all along. Stalin would have overrun Europe hadnt the Germans attacked him first. He was already prepared to attack.
I think that it says a lot that both the western allies and Russia still dont fully open their WW2 archives to reveal everything that happened.

I have mentioned to several people what you have related regarding Hitler's attack on Russia. As with me, people had heard for years that it was just the result of his egomania and that it was foolhardy and crazy. No one could understand why Hitler would break off the air attacks on Britain to take on a new enemy, but in light of what you have previously mentioned, it makes a part of world war II that was always a puzzle (to me and others) much less bizarre.
In other words, your explanation makes more sense, and now you've got some more reinforcing information.

Guys, Hitler said he was going to attack Russia all along. It was in Mein Kampf. A central tenet of his ideas was that Germany had to get lebensraum in the east. He didn't just mean Poland. He meant Russia.

The Molotov-Ribbentrop/Nazi-Soviet nonaggression pact in 1939 was just a cynical ploy on both the Nazi and Soviet parts, so that they could carve up Poland. All the evidence suggests that both sides expected to eventually fight each other.

Why did Hitler attack Russia when he did? Probably because he got frustrated fighting Britain. I doubt that he had any particularly good intelligence suggesting that the Russians would attack. In fact, German intelligence was generally rather poor. All available evidence based on archival research (see the books published by a guy called Glantz, for instance) indicates that the Germans had no idea of the size of the Soviet army, the existence of the T-34 or KV tanks, or even the state of the road network in Russia.

More generally I still doubt that the Russians were going to attack in 1941. The Red Army was in very poor shape as a result of the officer purges, and even Stalin knew it. The situation suggests to me that the Russians were preparing to be ready for war in 1942 or 1943.

indicates that the Germans had no idea of the size of the Soviet army, the existence of the T-34 or KV tanks, or even the state of the road network in Russia.

Hitler was insane, but the members of the Wehrmacht were not. Do you really think that Germany would have almost won WW2 if it consisted of nothing but idiots? You should not believe everything Hollywood tells you.

And they knew about him amassing tanks. Heck, I spoke to people who knew it. They had these high flying transport glider planes and they took pictures from those.

Also, while they might not have known about the extistance of the T34, they most certainly knew about the existance of the T28 and those were already far beyond anything that the Germans had at the time.

Oh and the lebensraum im Osten most likely did referr to the areas Germany/Austria lost to Poland and to Tschechoslovakia after WW2.