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Get your self splatted by hanging out with a bunch of AQ dudes in the middle of the street underneath an Apache.

This video is going around the internet:

http://www.floppingaces.net/2010/04/06/ ... more-36361
http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/201878.php
Flopping aces and MY pet Jawa take wikileak to task for their propaganda and for taking the side of the Reuters people putting themselves in amonst terrorists and being buddies with the kind of people like AQ in Iraq. My question is, is everybody in Iraq deaf?
An Apache isn't exactly quiet. I used to live in Newport News and I have heard lots of Apaches, from miles away. From the video the helo must have been almost on top of them. Yet those fools were walking around the street as if it wasn't even there. Definite Darwin Award Candidates.

That Apache is at least a mile away. I am an army brat, and Apache's at that distance are not "easily heard." They're extremely silent machines for being helicopters.

You clearly lack an objective view of this video.

The military is even admitting that their investigation did not go in to the attack on the unarmed civilians helping a wounded individual, and admits that it was not ROE.

Josh Cryer wrote:That Apache is at least a mile away. I am an army brat, and Apache's at that distance are not "easily heard." They're extremely silent machines for being helicopters.

You clearly lack an objective view of this video.

The military is even admitting that their investigation did not go in to the attack on the unarmed civilians helping a wounded individual, and admits that it was not ROE.

First, the group in that video were not unarmed and how do you tell civilians from combatants if they don't wear uniforms. You can clearly see them carrying Ak47's and RPG launchers. Frankly though, if you are willing to walk into a firefight and down the middle of the street during same you deserve what happens to you. No I am not objective about this video. Wikileak is a bunch of traitors. They are forcing our military to waste energy that could be better spent killing the sociopaths who blow up Muslim schoolgirls, send disabled children and young girls to blow themselves up in the middle of marketplaces full of people and cook children of local leaders to force cooperation. Frankly the enemy has made it real easy to pick sides in this war from 9/11 on.

Jccarlton wrote:

Josh Cryer wrote:That Apache is at least a mile away. I am an army brat, and Apache's at that distance are not "easily heard." They're extremely silent machines for being helicopters.

You clearly lack an objective view of this video.

The military is even admitting that their investigation did not go in to the attack on the unarmed civilians helping a wounded individual, and admits that it was not ROE.

First, the group in that video were not unarmed and how do you tell civilians from combatants if they don't wear uniforms. You can clearly see them carrying Ak47's and RPG launchers. Frankly though, if you are willing to walk into a firefight and down the middle of the street during same you deserve what happens to you. No I am not objective about this video. Wikileak is a bunch of traitors. They are forcing our military to waste energy that could be better spent killing the sociopaths who blow up Muslim schoolgirls, send disabled children and young girls to blow themselves up in the middle of marketplaces full of people and cook children of local leaders to force cooperation. Frankly the enemy has made it real easy to pick sides in this war from 9/11 on.

I love when atrocities get caught on camera:
http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/201938.php

The reporters are now permanently embedded with the terrorists.

I want to hear John Smith and Josh Cryer comment on this video.

Diogenes wrote:I want to hear John Smith and Josh Cryer comment on this video.

Personally, unlike you apparently, I hail the individual. These were not the same in person or in spirit those people (with the kids) whom rushed to pickup the dying reporter on the curb in the also ugly, apache video.

Jccarlton wrote:Frankly though, if you are willing to walk into a firefight and down the middle of the street during same you deserve what happens to you.

I was taught to help people who needed it. It's a shame this moral is discarded now a days by some people. Fortunately not the majority, as far as I've seen.

No I am not objective about this video. Wikileak is a bunch of traitors. They are forcing our military to waste energy that could be better spent killing the sociopaths who blow up Muslim schoolgirls, send disabled children and young girls to blow themselves up in the middle of marketplaces full of people and cook children of local leaders to force cooperation.

Wikileaks has the spirit of free information that built this country. The military should have released the video long ago with their own edits (had they, there probably would not have been so much outrage).

I don't agree with Islamsists blowing up schools and markets any more than I agree with the military bombing weddings. You don't know me and you're attempting to make me out to be some sort of dirty pacifist who loves terrorists. Typical.



Diogenes, disgusting. Wholesale murder of anyone is wrong. I've defended blackwater contractors, there's a video of one of them being wholesale executed as he walks around in a daze (his truck had been blown up but he survived). The video is of high quality and you might enjoy it (since you seem to be someone who enjoys this sort of gore). I'm insulted that you'd apparently think that Jccarlton and I would have a disagreement over wholesale murder like this (Jccarlton is defending the US military, it's not philosophical for him, it's patriotic; it would be 100% OK for him for us to bomb a wedding).



Helius, thanks. Almost everyone with a military background that I have talked two has called the execution of survivors and helpers wrong. The military is freaking out about that aspect of the video. Jccarlton doesn't have to worry about anyone being punished, though. It appears to have lost its viral nature already.

Helius wrote:

Diogenes wrote:I want to hear John Smith and Josh Cryer comment on this video.

Personally, unlike you apparently, I hail the individual. These were not the same in person or in spirit those people (with the kids) whom rushed to pickup the dying reporter on the curb in the also ugly, apache video.

Really? How do you know that ? Sure, you can't assume all Arabs who walk the street with Guns and RPG's are intolerant extremists who will kill (their own friends and family) people that don't rally round their banner, but i'm guessing it's a pretty safe bet.


Muslims don't have a corner on extremism. The ole Christian Church has done it's share of torture and killing, but i'm thinking it's worst phase is behind us.

I've heard it said, that Islam is where Christianity was 500 years ago. It seems a reasonable enough way of looking at it. The notion that jumps out from this theory is that perhaps Islam will evolve to have fewer Zealots. We can hope.

Josh Cryer wrote:

Diogenes, disgusting. Wholesale murder of anyone is wrong. I've defended blackwater contractors, there's a video of one of them being wholesale executed as he walks around in a daze (his truck had been blown up but he survived). The video is of high quality and you might enjoy it (since you seem to be someone who enjoys this sort of gore). I'm insulted that you'd apparently think that Jccarlton and I would have a disagreement over wholesale murder like this (Jccarlton is defending the US military, it's not philosophical for him, it's patriotic; it would be 100% OK for him for us to bomb a wedding).

Dude, in World War II we bombed entire cities. If I recall properly, the incendiary bombing of Tokyo killed over 100,000 people. What we are doing nowadays is attempting to be more surgical and careful. Obviously we cause collateral damage sometimes, but we TRY to avoid it.

When a mistake IS made, (or left wing trouble makers try to create the impression that a mistake was made. What did they call it again? "Collateral Murder"? ) it is used as propaganda by enemy forces. It helps get MORE people killed.

Josh Cryer wrote: Helius, thanks. Almost everyone with a military background that I have talked two has called the execution of survivors and helpers wrong. The military is freaking out about that aspect of the video. Jccarlton doesn't have to worry about anyone being punished, though. It appears to have lost its viral nature already.

People analyzed it and determined that it was intentionally being distorted for use as propaganda by Left wing haters. Once people figured out it was a put up job, the video lost much of it's ability to work as propaganda. It's still going to be used by extremists to incite people to attempt revenge on US forces. John Smith cooperated in the spreading of this vicious propaganda attack video. (Viciously attacking US Soldiers, that is.)


Look at the damage caused by liberal @ssholes forcing the release of those Abu Graib pictures. Most people are fully aware that those two @sshole prison guards were a bizarre fluke, yet they were portrayed as typical American imperialists by the enemy propaganda machine. People DIED as a result of the fallout.


The video *I* showed you was just an example of REAL "Collateral Murder." (The operative word being "MURDER." )

Helius wrote:

Diogenes wrote:I want to hear John Smith and Josh Cryer comment on this video.

Personally, unlike you apparently, I hail the individual. These were not the same in person or in spirit those people (with the kids) whom rushed to pickup the dying reporter on the curb in the also ugly, apache video.

Really? How do you know? Please provide proof...

Josh Cryer wrote:

Jccarlton wrote:Frankly though, if you are willing to walk into a firefight and down the middle of the street during same you deserve what happens to you.

I was taught to help people who needed it. It's a shame this moral is discarded now a days by some people. Fortunately not the majority, as far as I've seen.

No I am not objective about this video. Wikileak is a bunch of traitors. They are forcing our military to waste energy that could be better spent killing the sociopaths who blow up Muslim schoolgirls, send disabled children and young girls to blow themselves up in the middle of marketplaces full of people and cook children of local leaders to force cooperation.

Wikileaks has the spirit of free information that built this country. The military should have released the video long ago with their own edits (had they, there probably would not have been so much outrage).

I don't agree with Islamsists blowing up schools and markets any more than I agree with the military bombing weddings. You don't know me and you're attempting to make me out to be some sort of dirty pacifist who loves terrorists. Typical.



Diogenes, disgusting. Wholesale murder of anyone is wrong. I've defended blackwater contractors, there's a video of one of them being wholesale executed as he walks around in a daze (his truck had been blown up but he survived). The video is of high quality and you might enjoy it (since you seem to be someone who enjoys this sort of gore). I'm insulted that you'd apparently think that Jccarlton and I would have a disagreement over wholesale murder like this (Jccarlton is defending the US military, it's not philosophical for him, it's patriotic; it would be 100% OK for him for us to bomb a wedding).



Helius, thanks. Almost everyone with a military background that I have talked two has called the execution of survivors and helpers wrong. The military is freaking out about that aspect of the video. Jccarlton doesn't have to worry about anyone being punished, though. It appears to have lost its viral nature already.

I think you misunderstand the nature of this enemy. They don't wear uniforms and they don't play by the rules. This enemy has blown up weddings, fired from inside weddings and used weddings as cover for their activities. In WW2, rather than risking troops fighting house to house the American army would demand the surrender of a German town and if they didn't surrender they would call in the P47s, who would proceed to work the town over, basically leveling the place. There is a reason that soldiers have always worn uniforms. It's so that the noncombatants can be selected out and not killed. The enemy in this war has shown repeatedly that there are no noncombatants in this war. they kill American soldiers, they kill American civilians and worst of all they kill civilians that at nominally their own people. The enemy in war are the worst of the worst. They have demonstrated that over and over, on video as often as not. so don't try to get me to sympathize with them.

Diogenes, yes, Iraq is more comparable to the Civil War. That doesn't magically make actions by individuals in either conflict just.

What we are doing nowadays is attempting to be more surgical and careful.

The video shows that this is not the case with these young top guns who wanted to kill something. Fortunately I do not consider this incidence "par for the course." I know that the US military does not employ civil-war-like warfare while using civilians as protection, etc. But had these guys in particular been just a wee bit more careful, possibly employing more ground level intel, things probably would not have turned out the way they did.

DavidWillard wrote:Yeah, the pilot/gunner saw the kids had Barney the Dinosaur pajamas on and threw him into a killing rage.... What's next

They were begging for permission to engage. They did not follow ROE, even the military admits it. 30 seconds earlier they were targeting the wounded reporter just praying he'd "pick up a weapon." ROE was in their minds at that moment because the threat was clearly removed. But when, in their minds, the "bad guys were getting away" their mindset changed completely. It's inconceivable how the command to engage went through during that moment.

The kids probably could have been seen (and I agree that they didn't see them) had they given it more scrutiny.