Flywheels For The Navy
Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 8:30 am
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Shouldn't we look to much lower voltage and higher amps? If we super-chill the magnet, that is the desire, no?David_Jay wrote:On a related topic, the new Ford Class carrier will have an EMALS launch system instead of steam catapults:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromag ... nch_System
Discharge rates of 30+ MJ/sec (100MJ in less than 3 seconds). In VA terms - how about 10,000V@3,000A.
I think that solves the rate issues of mechanical storage to electrical power conversion!
from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flywheel_energy_storageFor the basic physics of a flywheel, see Flywheel Physics.
Compared with other ways of storing electricity, FES systems have long lifetimes (lasting decades with little or no maintenance[2]; full-cycle lifetimes quoted for flywheels range from in excess of 105, up to 107, cycles of use)[4], high energy densities (~ 130 W·h/kg, or ~ 500 kJ/kg), and large maximum power outputs. The energy efficiency (ratio of energy out per energy in) of flywheels can be as high as 90%. Typical capacities range from 3 kWh to 133 kWh.[2]Rapid charging of a system occurs in less than 15 minutes.[5]
From the second reference in the wiki EMALS article above :Aero wrote:from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flywheel_energy_storage
At 500 kJ / kg, I calculate 200 kg, but that seems awfully small.
This is SIGNIFICANTLY less than the 500kJ/kg in the "flywheel" article. Oh, and it doesn't include the cooling unit, or the..., or the..., or the...This gives an energy density of 18.1 KJ/KG, excluding the torque frame.
The lower density may be a function of high pulse power output. i.e. the hardware must be more robust to handle the peak torque. Love to have one of these to kick start the BFG. Crank up your 1 MW DG. Warm it for a few minutes. Start loading the flywheel - 1 minute to load - kick the BFR. Wheeeeee!!!!KitemanSA wrote:From the second reference in the wiki EMALS article above :Aero wrote:from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flywheel_energy_storage
At 500 kJ / kg, I calculate 200 kg, but that seems awfully small.This is SIGNIFICANTLY less than the 500kJ/kg in the "flywheel" article. Oh, and it doesn't include the cooling unit, or the..., or the..., or the...This gives an energy density of 18.1 KJ/KG, excluding the torque frame.
If the power delivered can be matched to the voltage and current required this might be a nice cheap way of getting short run controlled power. A HV xfmr and a bunch of diodes. I wonder what a 5 MW for 2 second unit costs?KitemanSA wrote:Talk to General Atomics, they may be happy to unload one on you.
On the other hand, Beacon Power is one of several companies that are making much smaller but compoundable flywheel storage units with impressive power outputs for several seconds to minutes.
This is the Pentadyne unit. For some reason, the data on the Beacon Power system is being updated without leaving the past data there.MSimon wrote: If the power delivered can be matched to the voltage and current required this might be a nice cheap way of getting short run controlled power. A HV xfmr and a bunch of diodes. I wonder what a 5 MW for 2 second unit costs?
They show 1000kVA for 14 seconds with 5 cabinets. $, they don't say on the web site.DC input/output voltage --------- Adjustable: 350 to 850* Vdc
Maximum output power --------- 190 kW
Recharging time ----------------- <15 sec. (DC source dependent)
DC ripple ------------------------- <2%
DC output voltage regulation --- ±1% steady state
Standby draw/heat dissipation - 0.3 kW/1,025 BTU/hr
Weight ---------------------------- 1,300 pounds (590 kg)
Dimensions D xW x H ----------- 33x25x71 in (83x63x180 cm)
Operating sound level ----------- 45 dBA@1 meter
Operating temperature range -- -4°F to 122°F (0°C to 50°C)
Cabling access ------------------- Top or side
Service access ------------------- Only front access required