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[Skipjack]

Dude, there is a HUGE difference between unconditional and conditional surrender. It is very easy for those in power to instigate fear of unconditional surrender in the population and thus to motivate them to fight for longer. Looking at the mass rapings by Russians in Germany and Austria after WW2, these fears were not completely unfounded.
Things like the Morgentau plan did not help either. When that leaked to the Germans, the resistance in Germany took a huge blow.
The resistance even was trying to negotiate a peace, but with unconditional surrender...
This is not revisionist history, btw. It is a fact. You however dont know anything about history and just repeat the BS that Holllywood tells you.

[Aslan]

Is that why you bring up the past, to rationalize support of Iran using nuclear weapons in the future? Are you saying ,"you did it so we can do it too"? That's what it sounds like.

I said it before. Iran never need nuclear bomb.
But US makes and improves Nuclear bombs now. Why?????????

[GIThruster]

The bitter truth is, that despite the US often finds itself at war, it has not resorted to the use of nuclear weapons for 65 years, and that if Iran's leaders can be taken at their word, they will use such weapons just as soon as they develop them.

THAT is the bitter truth.

[Skipjack]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unconditional_surrender

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surrender_(military)

There is no real Wikipedia entry on "negotiated surrender".

[Aslan]

Sounds like propaganda to me. The Japanese had no intentions of surrendering at all. They were daily chanting they would fight to the last man, and the conditions they gained through surrender were fast investment by America to rebuild their way of life.

I think you're parroting off some revisionist nonsense some dope made up who's deeply anti-American. In almost all history, surrender means surrender. Conditions exist only for the end of a battle--never the end of a war.

And I am sure you're parroting off some revisionist nonsense some dope made up who's deeply anti-human.

[GIThruster]

Is that why you bring up the past, to rationalize support of Iran using nuclear weapons in the future? Are you saying ,"you did it so we can do it too"? That's what it sounds like.

I said it before. Iran never need nuclear bomb.
But US makes and improves Nuclear bombs now. Why?????????

You're delusional Aslan. If Iran doesn't need the nuclear weapons why are they pressing on in defiance of the world to make them? You make no sense whatsoever. You need to get ahold of some real news for a few weeks and start seeing how the rest of the world views Iran--as totally without common sense. Listen to yourself! You're waving your finger in the air and saying "well you have them! " Yeah, we Americans do have nuclear weapons, but we act like adults, and the retards in Iran do not.

[Aslan]

If Iran's leaders can be taken at their word, they will use such weapons just as soon as they develop them.

Who are 'they"?

[GIThruster]

Skip, I invite you to look carefully at the time before those bombs were dropped. The dispute over a single "condition" to surrender, turns out to be the definition of surrender. the condition the US was not able to accept was that the Emperor would continue to act as supreme authority over Japan, and Japan as a soverign nation. But the fact is, when you surrender, you are NOT SOVEREIGN.

The "condition" argument turns out to be a lot of slapstick nonsense rhetoric, much like Saddam used at the end of the first Gulf War--just a means to equivocate and stay in control. Had Bush 1 not fallen for such stupid stuff, think of all the suffering that would have been avoided and the millions of people saved from horrific treatment, slavery and murder.

[GIThruster]

If Iran's leaders can be taken at their word, they will use such weapons just as soon as they develop them.

Who are 'they"?

Your president, and many of your Mullahs, are on record as saying they intend to "wipe Israel off the face of the Earth" and many, many times in the context of using nuclear weapons. Why do you think you have the world petrified and convinced Iran should never have access to those weapons? Very few objected when for instance, Pakistan got them, but Zardari doesn't act like a psychotic child and Ahmadinejad does!

[Aslan]

Yeah, we Americans do have nuclear weapons, but we act like adults, and the retards in Iran do not.

Yes, you are right. We are retards in technology, and you are retards in humanity.

[Skipjack]

The "condition" argument turns out to be a lot of slapstick nonsense rhetoric

Read the Wikipedia article!
And also reread what I said. I even said that the fear of unconditional surrender was used by those in charge for war propaganda.
I dont quite know what exactly happened in Japan, but I do know that it was the US president who insisted on it, even though most of his staff and allies were against it. But as I said, you can read all this up yourself.
Of course you can also insist on your revisionist version of history.

But putting that aside for a moment. It has very little to do with the current situation in Iran.
The Iranians are in trouble, not because they are developing nuclear bombs, but because of their leadership consisting of madmen. Aslan, your leaders are getting your entire people in trouble for ideologic idiocy. Believe someone whos country has been through the same thing:
Get rid of those leaders, or they will drive your country into ruin!

[Skipjack]

Your president, and many of your Mullahs, are on record as saying they intend to "wipe Israel off the face of the Earth" and many, many times in the context of using nuclear weapons. Why do you think you have the world petrified and convinced Iran should never have access to those weapons? Very few objected when for instance, Pakistan got them, but Zardari doesn't act like a psychotic child and Ahmadinejad does!

That I agree with.

[Aslan]

Your president, and many of your Mullahs, are on record as saying they intend to "wipe Israel off the face of the Earth" and many, many times in the context of using nuclear weapons. Why do you think you have the world petrified and convinced Iran should never have access to those weapons? Very few objected when for instance, Pakistan got them, but Zardari doesn't act like a psychotic child and Ahmadinejad does!

Prejudice is for people who are retarded and terrorists. Better we judge about the present and past actions.

[Skipjack]

Prejudice is for people who are retarded.

Well quoting something that your president actually said, is not prejudice...
The problem is that when someone talks like that in the context of nuclear weapons, he makes people nervous. You dont want to make the wrong people nervous...

I wished the freedom movement in your country had been blessed with more success.
What is your opinion about those peacefully demonstrating opposition people that were gunned down by government thugs in the streets?

[Aslan]

Prejudice is for people who are retarded.

Well quoting something that your president actually said, is not prejudice...
The problem is that when someone talks like that in the context of nuclear weapons, he makes people nervous. You dont want to make the wrong people nervous...

I wished the freedom movement in your country had been blessed with more success.
What is your opinion about those peacefully demonstrating opposition people that were gunned down by government thugs in the streets?

And what about those peacefully demonstrating opposition people that are guned down now by US government thugs in the streets???