Actually we had discussed this earlier (IIRC) and we were in agreement. (after a lot of back and forth) I just thought it was worth another mention in the current context.Skipjack wrote:Uhm, yes. I did not really take part in this discussion. So I am slightly confused by you calling me out Msimon.Skipjack,
What is happening now in Britain is a natural outgrowth of their deciding in 1921 to side with the Arabs against the Jews.
All I can say is, whatever is happening to the Brits right now is the "curse of the evil deed". They deserve it...
I thought I knew what Libertarian was, but ...
Engineering is the art of making what you want from what you can get at a profit.
Jefferson was more than cognizant, the Jefferson library contains his personal copy of the Quran, which was probably given to him by that Ambassador. As he is known to have read every book in his library, it stands to reason that he was sufficiently well read in the Quran.MSimon wrote:I do believe that at least Jefferson was cognizant of Islam.The ambassador answered us that [the right] was founded on the Laws of the Prophet, that it was written in their Koran, that all nations who should not have answered their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found, and to make slaves of all they could take as prisoners, and that every Mussulman who should be slain in battle was sure to go to Paradise.[51] [52]
In reference to the Islamic slave trade of Americans and Europeans by the Barbary states, Jefferson asked Tripoli's envoy to London, Ambassador Sidi Haji Abdrahaman, by what right he extorted money and took slaves in this way. He answered, Jefferson later went to war with the Barbary states.
http://www.wikiislam.com/wiki/Quotation ... .2C_Thomas
Also:
I do believe that Jefferson's opinion on the matter was modern. His hope was that the promise of the words would eventually be fulfilled. I doubt he expected it in his time.But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg. -Thomas Jefferson
Which makes it interesting to wonder what Jefferson would do today if he were alive and able to hold office.IntLibber wrote:Jefferson was more than cognizant, the Jefferson library contains his personal copy of the Quran, which was probably given to him by that Ambassador. As he is known to have read every book in his library, it stands to reason that he was sufficiently well read in the Quran.
Go to war against the pirates of Islam.krenshala wrote:Which makes it interesting to wonder what Jefferson would do today if he were alive and able to hold office.IntLibber wrote:Jefferson was more than cognizant, the Jefferson library contains his personal copy of the Quran, which was probably given to him by that Ambassador. As he is known to have read every book in his library, it stands to reason that he was sufficiently well read in the Quran.
Engineering is the art of making what you want from what you can get at a profit.
And the flagship of the effort would be the Ruben James, named for a heroic pirate-fighter of Jefferson's time:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Reuben_James_(FFG-57)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Reuben_James_(FFG-57)
Curious twist ... Gene Weingarten, humor columnist for the Washington Post Magazine, did a piece this past weekend on Alice's Restaurant, Part II. He claims to recount a conversation with Woody's son Arlo regarding said counterculture classic. Arlo mentioned he has even heard parts sung and quoted at Republican functions.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 01927.html
Arlo is now a Republican?!! The rumbling you feel is Woody at 2200 RPM.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 01927.html
Arlo is now a Republican?!! The rumbling you feel is Woody at 2200 RPM.
Oh THIS is cute ... naturally he has a Wikipedia page, and it includes his present politics. He's not just a Republican, he's a Ron Paul Republican, and Ron Paul is formerly a Libertarian, so this has come full circle.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arlo_Guthrie
<<Guthrie endorsed Texas Congressman Ron Paul for the 2008 Republican Party nomination. He said, "I love this guy. Dr. Paul is the only candidate I know of who would have signed the Constitution of the United States had he been there. I'm with him, because he seems to be the only candidate who actually believes it has as much relevance today as it did a couple of hundred years ago. I look forward to the day when we can work out the differences we have with the same revolutionary vision and enthusiasm that is our American legacy." He told the New York Times Magazine that he is a Republican because, "We had enough good Democrats. We needed a few more good Republicans. We needed a loyal opposition.">>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arlo_Guthrie
<<Guthrie endorsed Texas Congressman Ron Paul for the 2008 Republican Party nomination. He said, "I love this guy. Dr. Paul is the only candidate I know of who would have signed the Constitution of the United States had he been there. I'm with him, because he seems to be the only candidate who actually believes it has as much relevance today as it did a couple of hundred years ago. I look forward to the day when we can work out the differences we have with the same revolutionary vision and enthusiasm that is our American legacy." He told the New York Times Magazine that he is a Republican because, "We had enough good Democrats. We needed a few more good Republicans. We needed a loyal opposition.">>
He would probably order the army to arrest congress for crimes against the nation.krenshala wrote:Which makes it interesting to wonder what Jefferson would do today if he were alive and able to hold office.IntLibber wrote:Jefferson was more than cognizant, the Jefferson library contains his personal copy of the Quran, which was probably given to him by that Ambassador. As he is known to have read every book in his library, it stands to reason that he was sufficiently well read in the Quran.
Tom Ligon wrote:And the flagship of the effort would be the Ruben James, named for a heroic pirate-fighter of Jefferson's time:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Reuben_James_(FFG-57)
I wondered where the name of that Johnny Horton song came from.
Tom Ligon wrote:Curious twist ... Gene Weingarten, humor columnist for the Washington Post Magazine, did a piece this past weekend on Alice's Restaurant, Part II. He claims to recount a conversation with Woody's son Arlo regarding said counterculture classic. Arlo mentioned he has even heard parts sung and quoted at Republican functions.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 01927.html
Arlo is now a Republican?!! The rumbling you feel is Woody at 2200 RPM.
2 days ago I just saw a Arlo Guthrie performance on OETA from 2007. Arlo claimed that it was only a few years earlier that he received his first royalty check for Alice's Restaurant. I found that news to be incredible, but that is exactly what he said.
Apart from that, other commentary by Arlo (in 2007) places him firmly in the Union/Democrat/Hate the man/corporations/give the world a hug camp. I have a friend who worked as a Union Roadie for numerous bands in the 80s and 90s, and he says arlo's a little quirky.